From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove special requirement to disable startup message. Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:08:28 +0000 Message-ID: <8760z65k03.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878u4qdpd4.fsf@udel.edu> <83si2xt967.fsf@gnu.org> <20151222190949.GB5310@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452125338 15523 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2016 00:08:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mark Oteiza Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 01:08:49 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy8E-00024x-CN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:08:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56423 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy8A-0006rS-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:08:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54591) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy86-0006rJ-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:08:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy85-0003xt-Kz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:08:38 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:38442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy81-0003x9-SV; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:08:33 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy7w-0000Al-Ex; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:08:28 +0000 Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1aGy7w-0008Pj-Bq; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:08:28 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20151222190949.GB5310@holos> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:09:49 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197713 Archived-At: Mark Oteiza writes: >> I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the emacshorrors commentary, and I >> don't think we should make disabling this startup message site-wide so >> easy. The discussion in bug#12370 shows I'm not the only one. > > What the discussion fails to show is why this is desirable. > > I'm also not the only one asking why such weird treatment is present. > > ;; FIXME? Why does this get such weirdly extreme treatment, when the > ;; more important inhibit-startup-screen does not. > > This was added before either bug#12370 or bug#13208 were filed; the > answers in all of these discussions have been incomplete. Not wishing to restart a discussion I largely missed, but would anyone object to me fixing the FIXME? comment. I would also like to extend the docstring with a short explanation. The code may be sensible from a freedom point-of-view, but it would make more sense if the documentation explained and reinforced this.