From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog to *VC-log* Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:01:00 +0100 Message-ID: <8760wvz26r.fsf@gmx.net> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <20160306220502.GA23154@thyrsus.com> <8760wx442f.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87si00srmo.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <40522b1b-fc32-1a6c-9e69-e1df628d85a0@yandex.ru> <87oaaosh51.fsf@gmx.net> <1c5d8058-d7ed-1e2f-f83d-a3241ec7040c@yandex.ru> <878u1rih47.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn6no20q.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457564487 21165 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2016 23:01:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 00:01:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adn6O-0003bR-PW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:01:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44967 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adn6O-0003El-AM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58913) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adn6K-0003EO-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:01:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adn6H-0003la-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:01:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:55479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adn6H-0003lV-AU; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:01:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.66.173]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMHaL-1almFf07zx-007zTX; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:01:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83bn6no20q.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2016 22:00:05 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:eMd6nTkpLE3tjafD6JLw3VpCgIZfGVDaKC9yZVsH0ah7rQqpix3 GKX3VnpPiNJ1zD+cJcb/E1/Bxow//vqPU/EMnQj4BsWtdZ6UdeCvoW/RnvbHxnWlDeKhud6 EumD4nCOu/Rydco4yYc5b3h9vs7tT67hQgmPHWfN3gAbpo8glkLygGFxeOkeYmedXMUinME DBFq64BGPGqVhbH8tMC/A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/d3Ot8eaG1c=:RLFSld2Z+DCrM+EFerTILF IBZQII2S8DK3JIaajUt6soromZq8XZn/fanY8HFNwTCgcmQHjzM8N4xHx9h1o5NUFe+tzplo6 nDV0tCTz6WbbkZ5PL7KQe1K9H3CaQ1sUKgc1wDDD7rFVVV4JKLsMqRNTegdQAe7Y//iW10YDJ uze4mzRiVTq+KwahDdSxZGvVz4H0tinA8xEPVYM2oTxt1MqfFmD9o2RJgwXgUSuh/jTlAaciY kOdBF6IC5zZ9GcCozOfBRcvng9eUVR/2uHmVqXQWsvM38riRtfWVwpnlDiytGs/f6SDYwpS0S U7sDnQIAnnPlWwArFwnFQ/OBn9HKQ6VpysuONbeymgYtgRq9AyWon/z2cUt1ExT2f+d3vznJD 0xj2PjS2Kmlrb3nVuNx1fjawWhglselme78OL8JiWJDkdjoNBwhZfaTEkFru2V4hu1zm6Uvz8 amT9NIcejL6P8DH0jXUEp9zz73rR75z8P5Rr1uqn37BfmniV5CKuIyIVLpMlhCL57x4GkbrL3 EIzJ8PzwOW4yhMJSseQzXeFYGssHTjjRNCQPOlMUiKS4242Bi3oYuM6mszsLOkRtLPX5sGMYs mbEXkk18VBp6U8lYzNjTN0PiqTFthUbj0d6lDHnsLujIOtAuxmg1rOY8XxEO07oQm5Mjedf3S eI6nbtqSaloS0fbSSOgQxXIsH56ULIhJmRB9fak8sSyIYochVQTsrmP6GzaGP86BLokluN18E Dy4DJ4IihjTBOAbUfbI0tS95DYB6nzPaJ9o5UqAM/ElJ11pNVQ8mvoC+KCdzP9bLmpBDRe0h X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201332 Archived-At: On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 22:00:05 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:30:32 +0100 >> Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> I found the cause of the change in behavior I observed: it's due to the >> elimination of files named "ChangeLog" from the Emacs sources (there are >> now only files named "ChangeLog."). In consequence, find-change-log >> creates an empty file named "ChangeLog" in the immediate directory of >> the file in which `C-x 4 a' was invoked, e.g. in lisp/calendar/, when >> I'm editing todo-mode.el; previously, `C-x 4 a' found lisp/ChangeLog. I >> guess those who don't see this keep an non-VCS-tracked file "ChangeLog" >> at top level. >> >> If we don't return to maintaining versioned ChangeLog files, I think it >> would be desirable for `C-x 4 a' to always create (or find) the file >> "ChangeLog" at top level when editing Emacs sources, since this would >> add the required directory levels to the commit message. > > No, _you_ should create a file at top level, and then everything will > continue working. That's why the top-level file is called > ChangeLog.2: to keep it out of your way. But if Emacs can do that for me (and in so doing automatically comply with its commit message format specification), don't you agree that's more user-friendly? Do you see a down side to having that automatism? (Feel free to reply to bug#22968, if you prefer.) Steve Berman