[Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Hi guys,

I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).

Please report any issue!

Cheers,
Nico
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http://nicolas-petton.fr

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Kaushal Modi]

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Thanks!

Btw what happened to the fonts? I liked the ones you had on your test
webpage: http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/emacs-website/

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The ones on the official page look like Times New Roman (or similar) to me.

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Kaushal Modi

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>
> Please report any issue!
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
> --
> Nicolas Petton
> http://nicolas-petton.fr
>

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks!
>
> Btw what happened to the fonts? I liked the ones you had on your test
> webpage: http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/emacs-website/
>
> The ones on the official page look like Times New Roman (or similar)
> to me.

That's a bug :)

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Stefan Monnier]

> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Thanks, looks good.  One detail I noticed: I get a 404 when I select
either of "Support" or "Further information".


        Stefan

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:

> Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Btw what happened to the fonts? I liked the ones you had on your test
>> webpage: http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/emacs-website/

It should be fixed now.

Nico
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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> Thanks, looks good.  One detail I noticed: I get a 404 when I select
> either of "Support" or "Further information".

Rahh, I forgot about these links, I'll fix them ASAP.

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Clément Pit--Claudel]

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Hey Nicolas,

Awesome! Looks beautiful, and very convenient too.

One thing that I find confusing: some links bring you to a new page, and others to a subsection of a page:

Features → index.html
Downloads → downloads.html
Releases → index.html (* this one is confusing *)
Documentation → documentation.html
(Tour → Old Emacs website)
(also Support → HTTP 404)

There's no way to go back to the top of the home page, either.
I'd suggest either making Downloads part of the home page, or moving releases to its own page; in any case, adding a link back to home would be nice too :)

Great work in any case!
Clément.

On 03/29/2016 06:38 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> 
> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
> 
> Please report any issue!
> 
> Cheers,
> Nico
> 


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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit@gmail.com> writes:

> One thing that I find confusing: some links bring you to a new page, and others to a subsection of a page:
>
> Features → index.html
> Downloads → downloads.html
> Releases → index.html (* this one is confusing *)

Features and Releases are part of the index page (I could change that).
Would it help if I reordered the menu to have Features and Releases first?

> Documentation → documentation.html
> (Tour → Old Emacs website)

I'm not done with this page yet (there's quite some work left to be done)

> (also Support → HTTP 404)

Yes, I'll fix that.

> There's no way to go back to the top of the home page, either.

Do you mean from the homepage or from other pages?

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Clément Pit--Claudel]

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On 03/29/2016 07:08 PM, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> Features and Releases are part of the index page (I could change that).
> Would it help if I reordered the menu to have Features and Releases first?

Both would help, I think (reordering or splitting). I'd favor splitting since other pages are already split, but you have proved to be very good at this website thing, so I'm happy to defer to you :)

>> There's no way to go back to the top of the home page, either.
> 
> Do you mean from the homepage or from other pages?

From the other pages


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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Kaushal Modi]

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:

> Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
>
> > Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Btw what happened to the fonts? I liked the ones you had on your test
> >> webpage: http://nicolas-petton.fr/ressources/emacs-website/
>
> It should be fixed now.


Awesome! Thanks. It looks great.


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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo]

Hi Nicolas.

Nicolas Petton writes:

> I finally pushed the new homepage at 
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Looks great! Thanks.
 
> Please report any issue!

In the download page, perhaps you could put a link to whatever 
MSYS2 is.

-- 
Jorge.

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Paul Michael Reilly]

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Yes, very nice indeed.

In the downloads section you briefly mention that development is hosted on
savannah.gnu.org  That seemed a little out of place.  It if is not relevant
to download (and that seems to be the case to me) you might want to remove
it.  On the other hand, it might make some sense to talk about or provide a
link to information about using the development sources.  Certainly not a
big deal.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:44 PM Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo <
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu> wrote:

> Hi Nicolas.
>
> Nicolas Petton writes:
>
> > I finally pushed the new homepage at
> > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> Looks great! Thanks.
>
> > Please report any issue!
>
> In the download page, perhaps you could put a link to whatever
> MSYS2 is.
>
> --
> Jorge.
>
>
> --
-pmr

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Teemu Likonen]

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Nicolas Petton [2016-03-29 18:38:10+02] wrote:

> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

> Please report any issue!

A minor visual issue in this screen shot:

    https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/images/teaser.png

The Emacs window on the right is a bit too narrow and makes buffer's
lines wrap.

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Nicolas Petton writes:

> Hi guys,
>
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>
> Please report any issue!
>
> Cheers,
> Nico

It looks really, really nice.

However I do still think that having emacs screenshots with
not-the-default theme would help dramatically in indicating how
beautiful Emacs can be.  I think the default theme, while "useful" in
its minimalism, doesn't convey that.

If I look at:

  http://tsyesika.se/guix-desktop.png
  http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_hy_and_py.png
  http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_screenshot.png
  http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png

it feels very clear to me and others I've shown what *potential* there
is for a beautiful emacs.  I don't get that impression by showing them
stock black-on-white emacs.

Even just inverting to white-on-black would look much better.

That said, the website redesign otherwise looks *incredible*!  Nice,
nice job.

 - Chris

RE: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Drew Adams]

> having emacs screenshots with
> not-the-default theme would help dramatically in indicating how
> beautiful Emacs can be.  I think the default theme, while "useful" in
> its minimalism, doesn't convey that.
> 
> If I look at:
>   http://tsyesika.se/guix-desktop.png
>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_hy_and_py.png
>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_screenshot.png
>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png
> 
> it feels very clear to me and others I've shown what *potential* there
> is for a beautiful emacs.  I don't get that impression by showing them
> stock black-on-white emacs.
> 
> Even just inverting to white-on-black would look much better.

Seriously?  Beauty, and eye-strain, are apparently in the eye
of the beholder - at least in part.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eye+strain+reading+online+light+dark+background+screen
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=best+background+color+for+reading+on+computer

No, no need to reply.  Suffice it to say that not everyone would
agree with you.

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Clément Pit--Claudel]

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On 03/29/2016 11:20 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
>> Even just inverting to white-on-black would look much better.
>
> Seriously?  Beauty, and eye-strain, are apparently in the eye of the 
> beholder - at least in part.
> 
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eye+strain+reading+online+light+dark+background+screen
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=best+background+color+for+reading+on+computer

Drew, sending a let-me-google-that-for-you link feels insulting. I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but it looks rude from here.

Besides, here's a quote from the first result of the first link:

> Therefore, you want a background with about the intensity of a dark 
> grey, with something about the intensity of a light grey.  However, 
> to get the high contrast I discussed above, you need to use color.

I don't necessarily agree, but I think your reply highlights the importance of showing that Emacs's looks can be customized to the taste of the user. I'll also note that:

* vim is traditionally used in white-on-black terminals
* Atom uses a dark theme by default
* Spacemacs uses a dark theme by default
* Visual Studio provides both options, and asks you at installation time

On the other hand, Eclipse and jEdit do default to black on white.

Drew, what would you think of adding a carousel showing the default themes? Maybe it would help make sure that everyone does get a "phew, Emacs can be made pretty" moment (though more people would also get a "eww, who would want Emacs to look like that" moment too). Nicolas, do you think it would be a good idea? Would we want to also show more heavily customized copies of Emacs? Ideally, this could even come with the script used to generate the screenshots, so users can copy the styles if they want (in the fashion of what matplotlib does at http://matplotlib.org/gallery.html, for example). I'm sure Chris would be happy to provide details about the configuration that he used.

Nicolas, maybe the following could be a useful starting point? It prepares Emacs as shown in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cpitclaudel/biblio.el/master/etc/screenshots/biblio.el.png , and takes a screenshot automatically.

(defconst biblio-screenshots--fringe-width 8)

(defun biblio-screenshots--make-emacs-pretty ()
  "Prettify Emacs."
  (redisplay t)
  (load-theme 'tango t)
  (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height 105)
  (set-face-attribute 'default nil :foreground "black")
  (set-face-attribute 'mode-line nil :foreground "gray60" :background "black")
  (set-face-attribute 'mode-line-inactive nil :foreground "gray60" :background "#404045")
  (set-face-attribute 'mode-line-buffer-id nil :foreground "#eab700")
  (set-fontset-font t 'unicode "Ubuntu Mono")
  (set-fontset-font t 'unicode "Symbola Monospacified for Ubuntu Mono" nil 'append)
  (tool-bar-mode -1)
  (menu-bar-mode -1)
  (scroll-bar-mode -1)
  (column-number-mode)
  (fringe-mode (cons biblio-screenshots--fringe-width biblio-screenshots--fringe-width))
  (blink-cursor-mode -1)
  (setq-default cursor-type nil
                split-width-threshold 100
                mode-line-format '(" " mode-line-buffer-identification " " mode-name))
  (set-frame-size (selected-frame) 128 30))

(defun biblio-screenshots--save-screenshot ()
  "Save screenshot of current frame."
  (let ((fname (expand-file-name "biblio.el.png" biblio-screenshots--script-dir)))
    (process-lines "import" "-window" (frame-parameter nil 'outer-window-id)
                   fname)
    (process-lines "mogrify" "-strip" "-matte"
                   "-bordercolor" (face-attribute 'fringe :background)
                   "-border" (format "0x%d" biblio-screenshots--fringe-width) fname)
    (process-lines "optipng" "-o3" fname))
  (kill-emacs))

(defun biblio-screenshots--prepare ()
  "Prepare a screenshot."
  (biblio-screenshots--make-emacs-pretty)
  (delete-other-windows)
  (Some setup code here to show the right window configuration))

(defun biblio-screenshots--do ()
  "Prepare and take screenshot."
  (biblio-screenshots--prepare)
  (force-window-update)
  (redisplay t)
  (run-with-timer 1 nil #'biblio-screenshots--save-screenshot))

I use a similar process to generate the (many) screenshots at https://github.com/cpitclaudel/company-coq/#screenshots . I don't claim that they are particularly pretty; just that that script might be useful :)

Cheers,
Clément.


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RE: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Drew Adams]

> >> Even just inverting to white-on-black would look much better.
> >
> > Seriously?  Beauty, and eye-strain, are apparently in the eye of the
> > beholder - at least in part.
> > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eye+strain+reading+online+light+dark+background+screen
> > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=best+background+color+for+reading+on+computer
> 
> Drew, sending a let-me-google-that-for-you link feels insulting.
> I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but it looks rude from here.

I didn't mean to be insulting, and I didn't mean it as a joke.
I thought it would be easier for readers than suggesting that
they search google using those words.  Sorry if that was unclear.

> Besides, here's a quote from the first result of the first link:
> 
> > Therefore, you want a background with about the intensity of a dark
> > grey, with something about the intensity of a light grey.  However,
> > to get the high contrast I discussed above, you need to use color.

Maybe try looking beyond the first search hit.  Seriously, it's
an interesting and not-so-obvious subject.  I think you'll find
that more research supports dark on light than the reverse, but
I won't claim that it does.  I looked into it many years ago,
but of course things can change.

I'm pretty sure that most research at least supports fairly high
contrast between foreground and background (and I don't think
that is the case for the samples you pointed to).  High contrast
is also quite important for accessibility, FWIW.

> I don't necessarily agree, but I think your reply highlights the importance
> of showing that Emacs's looks can be customized to the taste of the user.

With that I absolutely agree: We should make clear that it is
easy to customize Emacs, including changing the default
foreground & background, controlling syntax highlighting, and
defining and using themes.

> I'll also note that:
> * vim is traditionally used in white-on-black terminals
> * Atom uses a dark theme by default
> * Spacemacs uses a dark theme by default
> * Visual Studio provides both options, and asks you at installation time

Yes, and there are lots of programmers who use light on dark.
(And there are lots of programmers who are wrong. ;-))

> On the other hand, Eclipse and jEdit do default to black on white.
> 
> Drew, what would you think of adding a carousel showing the default themes?

Adding a link to a page that shows a few different themes
would be OK by me.  The idea would be to at least show some
breadth of possibility, not necessarily to suggest themes
that are popular or considered good.

> Maybe it would help make sure that everyone does get a "phew, Emacs can be
> made pretty" moment (though more people would also get a "eww, who would
> want Emacs to look like that" moment too).

I don't feel strongly about any of this.  And I think that
anyone can (and will) easily google for information about
themes and customization of Emacs.

I don't worry about whether people coming to the GNU Emacs page
become convinced that Emacs can be beautiful.  But I would hope
that they get the message that you can make it anything you want.

> Nicolas, do you think it would be
> a good idea? Would we want to also show more heavily customized copies of
> Emacs? Ideally, this could even come with the script used to generate the
> screenshots, so users can copy the styles if they want (in the fashion of
> what matplotlib does at http://matplotlib.org/gallery.html, for example).
> I'm sure Chris would be happy to provide details about the configuration
> that he used.

That kind of stuff is good for Emacs Wiki, IMHO.  Not so much
for the GNU Emacs site.  The message of the GNU site wrt such
things should be that you can easily customize Emacs.  The GNU
page need not (and probably should not) try to be a portal and
a place for shopping this and that.

Just one opinion.

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Clément Pit--Claudel]

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On 03/30/2016 12:35 AM, Drew Adams wrote:
> I don't worry about whether people coming to the GNU Emacs page
> become convinced that Emacs can be beautiful.

I do worry about that a bit myself: Emacs does look a bit Spartan out of the box (compare to the latest newcomer in IDEs land, Atom, at http://atom.io). I think Nico's website redesign is an incredible step towards polishing users' first impression of Emacs.

Cheers,
Clément.


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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> Hi guys,

Hi Nicolas,

> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

It looks great, thank you!

> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>
> Please report any issue!

Maybe the '<a href,="emacs.html">' on line 48 is a typo?

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Chad Brown]

> On 29 Mar 2016, at 15:35, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe try looking beyond the first search hit.  Seriously, it's
> an interesting and not-so-obvious subject.  I think you'll find
> that more research supports dark on light than the reverse, but
> I won't claim that it does.  I looked into it many years ago,
> but of course things can change.

There’s solid research to support both light-on-dark and
dark-on-light, and further research to suggest that both ambient
light in the environment and type of use (mostly sequential
reading start to finish versus frequently jumping between places
versus mostly writing versus etc) are stronger factors than
either (and my information is also out of date).

The one thing that I think makes it worthwhile putting up at
least one colorful-on-dark screenshot on the current page is
this: the main “what does it look like?” screenshot uses the
default light background, but the “Discover Emacs in Video” links
all use a black background, and I’m sure you’re not going to get
Magnar to change.

> Adding a link to a page that shows a few different themes
> would be OK by me.  The idea would be to at least show some
> breadth of possibility, not necessarily to suggest themes
> that are popular or considered good.

If you are interested in including a variety, I’d suggest putting up
something with the default settings, one of the included themes with a
dark background like wheatgrass or wombat, one with Zenburn, and one
each with Solarized light and dark.

This shows variety while being likely recognizable to many potential
users. Just a thought.

~Chad

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Joost Kremers]

On Tue, Mar 29 2016, Nicolas Petton wrote:
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
[...]

I agree with the other reactions here, it looks great!

> Please report any issue!

Link problem: in "An entire ecosystem of functionality beyond text
editing, [...], and more", the word "more" is linked to
<https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/#Further> but clicking it
doesn't do anything.


-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Filipp Gunbin]

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On 29/03/2016 18:38 +0200, Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>
> Please report any issue!
>
> Cheers,
> Nico

Thanks, looks great!

I use scaled resolution ("Larger text" one) on my Macbook and some sites
have problems with markup.  I see only one minor issue: videos are
shifted to the right from center a bit (but the circles above are ok).

Filipp

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Filipp Gunbin]

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On 30/03/2016 16:57 +0300, Filipp Gunbin wrote:

> On 29/03/2016 18:38 +0200, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>>
>> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
>> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
>> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>>
>> Please report any issue!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>
> Thanks, looks great!
>
> I use scaled resolution ("Larger text" one) on my Macbook and some sites
> have problems with markup.  I see only one minor issue: videos are
> shifted to the right from center a bit (but the circles above are ok).
>
> Filipp

Attached a screenshot.


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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Bastien Guerry]

Great job!  Thanks a lot.

-- 
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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>
> Hi Nicolas,
>
>> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
> It looks great, thank you!
>
>> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
>> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
>> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>>
>> Please report any issue!
>
> Maybe the '<a href,="emacs.html">' on line 48 is a typo?

Yes, it is :)

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Drew Adams writes:

>> having emacs screenshots with
>> not-the-default theme would help dramatically in indicating how
>> beautiful Emacs can be.  I think the default theme, while "useful" in
>> its minimalism, doesn't convey that.
>> 
>> If I look at:
>>   http://tsyesika.se/guix-desktop.png
>>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_hy_and_py.png
>>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_screenshot.png
>>   http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png
>> 
>> it feels very clear to me and others I've shown what *potential* there
>> is for a beautiful emacs.  I don't get that impression by showing them
>> stock black-on-white emacs.
>> 
>> Even just inverting to white-on-black would look much better.
>
> Seriously?  Beauty, and eye-strain, are apparently in the eye
> of the beholder - at least in part.
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eye+strain+reading+online+light+dark+background+screen
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=best+background+color+for+reading+on+computer
>
> No, no need to reply.  Suffice it to say that not everyone would
> agree with you.

I wasn't saying that we necessarily need a light on dark option, though
I think emacs' default theme looks nicer with that one tweak.  But I
like dark on light.  You might notice that one of the links I provided
was to such a theme I used to use:

  http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_screenshot.png

Here's another way to put it: I think the new emacs site is gorgeous.  I
don't think the default emacs theme shown quite lives up to the niceness
that's being shown.

Anyway.  I'm not going to push on it; others have replied more elegantly
on the thread anyway.

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit@gmail.com> writes:

> On 03/30/2016 12:35 AM, Drew Adams wrote:
>> I don't worry about whether people coming to the GNU Emacs page
>> become convinced that Emacs can be beautiful.
>
> I do worry about that a bit myself: Emacs does look a bit Spartan out
> of the box (compare to the latest newcomer in IDEs land, Atom, at
> http://atom.io). I think Nico's website redesign is an incredible step
> towards polishing users' first impression of Emacs.

I asked myself the same question a lot of times when building the
website design. (I don't like very much how Emacs looks by default, but
that's a topic for another day.)

After trying many alternatives I decided that showing how Emacs can look
like it something for the tour page.  I think the screenshot on the
homepage should show how Emacs looks by default.

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Christian Kruse]

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Hi,

first of all: good work, thanks for the efford!

Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
> After trying many alternatives I decided that showing how Emacs can look
> like it something for the tour page.  I think the screenshot on the
> homepage should show how Emacs looks by default.

While I think that, too, I think we still should invest more energy to
make the screenshot more beautiful: the screenshot looks blurry
(probably due to downscaling by width:100%) and the text in the right
buffer has some really bad line breaks; one could avoid that by making
that buffer a little broader.

I understand the necessity of the scaling, but maybe a responsive image
(<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/picture>)
would be the better choice. It has a fallback for older browsers (the
<img> inside the <picture>) and more modern browsern get a better scaled
version of the image: browser image scaling is really ugly.

Best regards,
-- 
Christian Kruse
https://wwwtech.de/about

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Christian Kruse <cjk@defunct.ch> writes:

> Hi,
>
> first of all: good work, thanks for the efford!
>
> Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> writes:
>> After trying many alternatives I decided that showing how Emacs can look
>> like it something for the tour page.  I think the screenshot on the
>> homepage should show how Emacs looks by default.
>
> While I think that, too, I think we still should invest more energy to
> make the screenshot more beautiful: the screenshot looks blurry
> (probably due to downscaling by width:100%) and the text in the right
> buffer has some really bad line breaks; one could avoid that by making
> that buffer a little broader.

Indeed. I have another screenshot that I've been trying to commit, but
I'll have to wait since I currently get a connection timeout.

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Lluís]

Nicolas Petton writes:

> Hi guys,
> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).

> Please report any issue!

Just a little silly one. The screenshot shows an info manual with line wrapping,
which looks ugly to me. You could retake it with a wider window without
wrapping.

Also, the "Support" and "Further information" links are broken.


Cheers,
  Lluis

Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Lluís <xscript@gmx.net> writes:

> Nicolas Petton writes:
>
>> Hi guys,
>> I finally pushed the new homepage at https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
>
>> Quite some things have changed since the last time I talked about on
>> this list, mostly due to ethical reasons (some logos are gone, some
>> paragraphs have been added or modified, etc.).
>
>> Please report any issue!
>
> Just a little silly one. The screenshot shows an info manual with line wrapping,
> which looks ugly to me. You could retake it with a wider window without
> wrapping.

Yes, that's planned.

> Also, the "Support" and "Further information" links are broken.

Yes, that should be fixed, but I can't commit to the cvs repo right now.

Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Nicolas Petton]

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Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> Maybe the '<a href,="emacs.html">' on line 48 is a typo?

Four months later... and it's fixed!

Cheers,
Nico

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Re: [Announce] The new Emacs homepage is online!

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr> wrote:
> Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Maybe the '<a href,="emacs.html">' on line 48 is a typo?
>
> Four months later... and it's fixed!

Thank you!