From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:47:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8760oo86kb.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831szh3iq4.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvi5spl9.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83mvi51y3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87instslxu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83inst1vut.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg3ekjz2.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vawpx677.fsf@gnu.org> <87h989ixxd.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvi1ww6m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph5fw0w.fsf@russet.org.uk> <838ttlwodt.fsf@gnu.org> <878ttl3342.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <8360opwjs2.fsf@gnu.org> <8760oosrn8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83shrsvj3g.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2d4fk9m.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83h988uzpm.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg3ce2s1.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg3cusfb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476908752 9148 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2016 20:25:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:25:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 22:25:48 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxQQ-0007FC-IX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:25:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51085 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxQS-0007N6-OT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50523) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxPS-0007KT-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxPQ-0008Nv-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:45123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxPK-0008Kk-JR; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:24:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID :Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=SQhT33UCkGzgH6biogmc8S3i5jnGRZta9sAe9phbQJA=; b=kQBgQd73T3GkLNdEIBvLxCOsbY V7+UZmYxEx1+jUocYvT1elwsj+Eq0WkLUzmWt9/JBKLPF00Cvjm46ZgAonOytBF1JBYSg7PY9tii7 8JuYOKvPbpzgICInGTHiI4rr+iWeo4gK7tTNFIKkWGLnOOqZZzb91fxwL1crtIog9pszPYwNGyz6z oXbu32oCfZhrwxHXb5eIVjPx1yIQ4YLWqw7KKqj+ARg3kXF4sOc/ghrZirOmwOd/lBIIPVbTyu3bo beHCY6t3FekJ3O+SrQEDAOHFzI7L/BjMstL2r3sutM6D2sOU6r++FW4uzWQyxFhAbuBke9OzLm17Y YS0XW8xw==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:34482 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxPI-004N6N-TD; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:24:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83eg3cusfb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:04:08 +0300") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208501 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> If everybody does the right thing. If not everybody does the right >> thing, the old version gets loaded. Happened to me, it's hard to debug >> and hard to work out what is going wrong. > > OK, so we agree that if everybody does the right thing, this will > work. That's all we need at this point, because we certainly don't > need to cater to packages which do the wrong thing: such packages will > be fixed in no time, because they are bundled and are part of any > Emacs installation. We should cater to packages which do the wrong thing, by ensuring that the break quickly and obviously. >> Seriously, honestly, definately, I will stop defending my proposal now, >> because the discussion is not advancing at all. > > I hope we've reached the agreement that the lisp/ tree as it is can > continue be used when some packages in it come from ELPA. No, we've agreed to disagree. I think my solution is better, but I also think that you have more say in these matters than I. I have no desire to flog a dead horse, which is why I will withdraw the suggestion. Phil