From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [GNU-Emacs] request: better subject lines Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 22:12:19 +0200 Message-ID: <8760hhvgws.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <874lx5dhwd.fsf@pippiandcarlos.com> <20170502122324867083797@bob.proulx.com> <20170502230426626149279@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493842394 18703 195.159.176.226 (3 May 2017 20:13:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 20:13:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 03 22:13:09 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d60e5-0004mD-LY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 22:13:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38484 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d60eB-0004RN-Dh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 16:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d60dj-0004RA-3j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 16:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d60df-0003je-Sr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 16:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=33888 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d60df-0003hv-M9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 16:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d60dX-00046v-LI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 22:12:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 54 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:8TWbArThgiiEReYUX9uldfPw2gY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112945 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > But Gmane has been discontinued since last July > 2016. It is not currently an option for people. > Offline for most of the past year. > > For those wishing to read up on the saga these three > in this order should get you up to speed on things. > > https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/ > > http://gmane.org/find.php?list=help+gnu+emacs > > http://home.gmane.org/ > > I was sad to see Lars discontinue Gmane. It was > a good resource. For his work on Gnus and Gmane, Lars is a *legend* were it so to stop forever tomorrow. But it hasn't stopped and God willing it won't. I have been using it all this time and I still am, I am typing this in a message buffer hooked to gmane.emacs.help ! Usenet was one of the best things ever and in many ways Gmane is better, at least in terms of technology. In terms of the content, it is both better and worse. It is better because it is much more to the point, less flame wars etc. One should then remember that Usenet was once thought of as a very disciplined place. Gmane and the listbots-as-newsgroups is super-disciplined then, I suppose. The drawback is that on groups like for example rec.bicycles.tech there is tons of off-topic discussions that are actually healthy and very interesting. That culture is lost here to a great extent. But not entirely; compare the SX Q&A sites where there is no culture whatsoever, actually it is impossible, built-in in the architecture. Those sites are very useful, so it is not an issue of what is better. As for me, I always wanted the culture *and* the technology. Just because I do computers doesn't mean I am a computer or want to be one. Did I find the culture? Well, Gnus and Gmane and listbots-as-newsgroups as well as real Usenet groups (aioe, also thru Gnus) are the closest I got. Perhaps it is a lost cause, because you can fire your arrows from the tower of Babel, but you can NEVER strike God -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573