From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 16:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <875zq9p2k8.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <576240a5-c92a-5cf8-898b-43f214a2b580@yandex.ru> <83imu9beyn.fsf@gnu.org> <8463581c-c40f-a66a-5c9c-0995a3b45cd0@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="58189"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 16:40:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe2J-000Eyj-IU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 16:40:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49609 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe2H-0000iq-88 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe20-0000hc-Aj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe1z-0007b3-Aw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=47112 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe1z-0007Xp-3e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRe1t-000EUM-F7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 16:40:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:nrzO6TAX2nd5Illl6JLa4R6Ar6w= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120487 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 17.05.2019 12:36, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> From: Dmitry Gutov >>> Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 11:54:50 +0300 >>> >>> Vim is consistent. That was not my recollection when I learned it, nor is my impression when I use it daily as an Evil user and as an occasional "true vim" user. I mean, vim has certain rules that work consistently, but not everything that vim can do is subject to consistent rules. The ":" interface, for instance. And even on the supposedly consistent interface there are surprising details such as dw giving different results than vwd. >> So is Emacs. Inconsistencies in key bindings are rare exceptions in >> Emacs. Even the tutorial makes the point of explaining the rules for >> consistent keybindings in basic editing commands. > > In the basics, sure. But I wouldn't still be using Emacs if it only > provided basics. > > We pride ourselves on being more than just an editor. But the more > features a program provides, the more important it is to have a > logical common structure and similar underlying principles under all > those features. Or how else is a person supposed to remember how to > use all of them? I doubt anybody is interested on using all of Emacs features. Not even 10% of them. Consistence for consintence's sake is useless. On every case (and Emacs is many editors within an editor) there are local optimums and those should prevail over global consistence.