all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bloat in Windows (revisited)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 22:17:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875zpduole.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a7epbgum.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:27:45 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:52:55 +0300
>> 
>> I was wondering about this bloat too. So the gist of my question is - do we have to bundle dependencies with
>> their optional stuff due to some reason, like licensing requirements?
>
> No, the only reason is that "Someone" has to figure out which parts
> are necessary for Emacs and which aren't.  Assuming, that is, that no
> one will use these binary distributions for any purpose other than
> running Emacs.


And, unfortunately, in the absence of a test set which tests the compile
time functionality of Emacs, it's hard to do this. I don't use Emacs on
Windows myself, so am left with asking users.

An example here is libwinpthreads which was or is required for operation
of libXpm, at least the DLLs from msys2 (which we do not use for the "no
dependencies" download of Emacs).

In answer to the question about licensing, identifying exactly what
source is required to fulfil GPL is also a little hard, so having too
big a dependency list here strikes me as a reasonably solution.

At this point, the debug snapshot release installer is 50Mb. The
non-debug stripped version should be smaller still. Both of these are
smaller than the source tarball for Emacs-24.5. At this point, the cost
benefit to a smaller distribution size still seems a little moot.

Phil



      reply	other threads:[~2019-06-10 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-05 21:46 Bloat in Windows (revisited) Phillip Lord
2019-06-05 23:24 ` Tak Kunihiro
2019-06-06 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 14:34   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 20:14     ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-07  2:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 21:16         ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-10  8:59         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-10 12:17           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-10 15:47             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-10 21:28           ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-13 17:27             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-13 17:53               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-13 18:12                 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-13 21:34                   ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-14  8:19                     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-17 15:59                       ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-18 16:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-18 17:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-18 19:27                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-13 21:31               ` Phillip Lord
2019-06-07  6:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10  8:52 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2019-06-10 15:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10 21:17     ` Phillip Lord [this message]

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=875zpduole.fsf@russet.org.uk \
    --to=phillip.lord@russet.org.uk \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.