From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20780: 25.0.50; explain where to find skeletons in autotype info manual Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:44:07 +0200 Message-ID: <875zkx95lk.fsf@gnus.org> References: <86eglkvlc8.fsf@members.fsf.org> <878spuvawa.fsf@gnus.org> <83a7a9vo77.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="27433"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 20780@debbugs.gnu.org, youngfrog@members.fsf.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 09 22:25:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iIIWa-0006xR-1i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 22:25:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56876 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIIWY-0000L9-Jd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 16:25:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37005) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG1H-00033t-KW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG1G-0005s9-99 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG1G-0005s5-5j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG1F-0003Vv-Rb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20780 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 20780-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20780.157064305713433 (code B ref 20780); Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20780) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2019 17:44:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG0X-0003Ub-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:44:17 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:40014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG0T-0003UQ-LB for 20780@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:44:15 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iIG0O-0002b8-CD; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:44:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83a7a9vo77.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:11:24 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168770 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 05:46:29 +0200 >> Cc: 20780@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> I wonder why the autotype manual is linked from the Emacs manual at >> all. It's a very low-level (lispref-like) manual, and doesn't really >> seem to be something we should steer users towards? > > AFAIR because some user-level feature(s) is/are described only there. > But I might be mistaken. You're right; I didn't look closely enough. Basically the least user-friendly bit is the "Skeleton Language" node -- the rest are more or less something users can be expected to relate to. Would it make sense to just move that node to after the more user-facing nodes? @menu * Using Skeletons:: How to insert a skeleton into your text. * Wrapping Skeletons:: Putting existing text within a skeleton. * Skeletons as Abbrevs:: An alternative for issuing skeleton commands. * Skeleton Language:: Making skeleton commands insert what you want. * Inserting Pairs:: Typing one character and getting another after point. * Autoinserting:: Filling up empty files as soon as you visit them. * Copyrights:: Inserting and updating copyrights. * Executables:: Turning interpreter scripts into executables. * Timestamps:: Updating dates and times in modified files. * QuickURL:: Inserting URLs based on text at point. * Tempo:: Flexible template insertion. * Hippie Expand:: Expansion of text trying various methods. [...] @end menu -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no