From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37812: Update Emacs manual intro with more compelling features Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:32 +0200 Message-ID: <875zkl5g8b.fsf@gmx.de> References: <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="85573"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 37812@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Nicholas Drozd To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 19 09:48:39 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLjTb-000M7N-6e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1571471256; bh=SckzXy88968viVYhircp4nwwlMBYCBNfLlQUYh+s6FU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ASZNUPaoBtRQGfb18azLltHnD7pr7sVVDnzg51RB/a1Ezo2NMSCuXpszeRaoGsQzc ehWkS0HnQImmd3+LFCrOnqzMeKpfGmSddwT1+s2DdvfskMS0876IY7lnjwyFmXWsjL UqX2csFwieaOWWxMOZ4MxBwOKB3PR3LXbPPL4fcc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([213.220.147.37]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N0XCw-1i9Xh60tWu-00wUZH; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:14:33 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XSbupPYbD2IhO93D7j3DawmKpGmRV7K+k3qumDAq+LwqeNUUT4i I+bGelpz8aQNGFUmI6kKfoexZWAgB6SehgRnZrmI6AwoRg1ZZDLFw/qAAOhDNOke0onprca qPhtP9mEJl2dn592mbVWSq3PFyIo/H9FeAHAUPVa1VsIzj5SqRZmzDwx6jyhFrfWcTyPwvT NOQoOmASe06eKnbMk0/3A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4vR4rmCCfGs=:0ou7fnQur0PBncYpLbGYPl xAhHzG2DF+gYlFw0fI45iAZORk3h0r/gXX4xqVObVH90XYTaBQHzdQjkyBVFR++gO/9O1S85n it0Cvi4UAZAPe/9hgt+8YzCuV8YYnslwD+6P4i7OXIh4VoQqg//cj6rXMcK2QPSnalo24ayG7 pUy2ItYNkODpgvRQu7G+e+DyYJSDqFtmDyiUUdVQmkS2rMFj1RqqBVMfcLIrNcsvwsD4Bx7xm sL1POMlmJavpAusWgOA0zPdA7gEA1co1FU8hpGrvc224e5CN87307PpnjT+uAt91bLa7xpojm DnVEqTfj0B4hT/I0hhU2PwVCvak+IgTaE5Y0EGyti+e0UtNHDDZGsjJgBWyObWNSMV4/feix8 HbRUBwVfngSF2u+ZLEdH7saYhCwxdTyiK/xY7zdN/j+o1mv6oxg7QATCP3agOgYxwplUEolqw uM6y6PxgjYpy3SYckb57RNXsjBwoqcqJWUe9MvJtWAnqw0SLxcAXRX3D9m7UyTFu0ZzMBBJd6 RrU9ZEN76VrTz/JuJZYtiCR31kDBDs0JfeWVMStr1g+Xtmy5SGAl+/XAYtbBl56Qtb7LbQRnL yWzsMukYt1d/lFN+gssAj2x/qNmr5cHlZWBGsRGtTlcS64Njq1DrttL7Tj6gEuC6VmeK/CH4t XdKTdyeeC4fZsDs0f2ZBH7V1FXdDGKMFKCSstcKsjo8h6hsT+ve5pLgCajuzy92i7d8PeksbJ seDJmSPHBlC7KgVzf6uS4ca6BO7E7Zw/QLGz/rm0qQw4kAsin2/geKYm/G3WZD41+LSRHhEu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169709 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> The introduction to the Emacs manual says, right near the beginning: >> "We call Emacs 'advanced' because it can do much more than simple >> insertion and deletion of text. It can control subprocesses, indent >> programs automatically, show multiple files at once, and more." >> >> This text has been around for a long time*. Maybe it's time for an >> update? Indenting programs automatically and showing multiple files at >> once aren't very compelling features these days. My go-to example of a >> remarkable Emacs-y feature is EWW, so maybe "browse the Web" could be >> added? Or something to do with Org mode? I don't know exactly, but >> listing "shows multiple files" as a feature is like describing someone >> as "punctual" in a reference letter -- it could signal that the person >> has no other important qualities. > > EWW and Org are very high-level Lisp applications, they aren't > examples of basic features of Emacs as an editor. So I'm not sure > they are appropriate in that introductory section. We could say that Emacs is able to edit remote files like they were local files. I'm biased, of course :-) Best regards, Michael.