From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/HELLO: On Chinese and Cantonese Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:37:28 -0500 Message-ID: <875z72ov3r.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <87mu0e3giu.fsf@posteo.net> <83wnzil7ki.fsf@gnu.org> <87mu0e890e.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: matthewzmd@posteo.net, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , ksqsf@mail.ustc.edu.cn To: Eric Abrahamsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 22 22:40:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVhNU-0007Cg-5d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 22:40:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42328 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVhNT-0007Dq-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVhLA-0005ka-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from newsp.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:48690 helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVhL8-0002lk-71; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:37:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To: From:Sender:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=XV7LCc2HABjwCSKORCVZf3D0Wz+iFKt8uq6FW6E7iq8=; t=1603399057; x=1604608657; b=YKdKNkMoCvN3OK0pFHmaOeh0H6QJDofNGPegxGKFHn3iSYdfWjSgGiOZzo/JMXmOJKkeDy6r6q GD+lO+TEhxUN0aaIe+bc8NUZSHEy9ZBdex7wbsAbtVdFudFTw7EdQQ1mHSQlVOcRYO6heQ15k8OSV 0mmOxa0EdPfJYP0CilFtyBPcxJrDWU0ngCOcRKjoQYTwj8XwUse6VeQClp0xPTET63moof+0V7lUL kagCXxy3oM/SA17Wzzh87NFyrj0z5iMsdXqmWXfvEr2AL+G0sQ+UAL2znmFxQNxPGBJxTrNnsPilC NcReZBUGUPH8qK1nVvYoWYqRQ/EXvyqCkhynQ==; Original-Received: from 99-112-125-163.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net ([99.112.125.163]:44912 helo=floss) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVhKz-0003Gl-FD; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:37:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87mu0e890e.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:29:05 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/22 16:37:36 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258317 Archived-At: On 22 Oct 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >My 2c: the simplified/traditional script distinction is probably the >right way to go. As Stefan says, the point of the file is showing off >scripts, but more than that, the script distinction is actually >relatively apolitical. It's when you get into Mandarin vs Cantonese and >trying to establish a taxonomical relationship between dialects/variants >that politics comes into it. The simplified/traditional split is pretty >uncontroversial. +1 to making this be just about the simplified/traditional script distincti= on.=20=20 The script distinction is pretty orthogonal to the language [1] distinction= here. And Cantonese and Mandarin are just two of *many* Chinese languages= : if the HELLO file were to start down that road, it would encounter many t= hings that it would do better to avoid :-). Best regards, -Karl [1] Or "dialects" if you prefer. =D7=90=D6=B7 =D7=A9=D7=A4=D6=BC=D7=A8=D7= =90=D6=B7=D7=9A =D7=90=D7=99=D7=96 =D7=90=D6=B7 =D7=93=D7=99=D7=90=D6=B7=D7= =9C=D7=A2=D7=A7=D7=98 =D7=9E=D7=99=D7=98 =D7=90=D6=B7=D7=9F =D7=90=D6=B7=D7= =A8=D7=9E=D7=B2 =D7=90=D7=95=D7=9F =D7=90=D6=B7 =D7=A4=D6=BF=D7=9C=D7=90=D6= =B8=D7=98. "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy."