From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:35 +0200 Message-ID: <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13684"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 05 09:03:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeUA-0003K2-Ph for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:03:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45290 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeU9-00066d-5o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:03:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTe-00066H-Nf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTe-0003rR-G2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTe-0003cC-94 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 07:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50999 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50999-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50999.163341736513716 (code B ref 50999); Tue, 05 Oct 2021 07:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 07:02:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTN-0003ZA-IX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:02:45 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:38518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTM-0003WD-Fw for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:02:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=22/Duy9PMnzE1d+lUKmp+6jogyc5bbbYaTLjfsEqGiI=; b=JXBhz8MXFbGH5oVUFEZ9EJMVFI yhZakeqzvRj3cN1XeKFXqa7N0Vv5apl7FC5OBr5/sTalZkafTIVRndrIAtfO8HCG4fHTCi34OSWCB 2qDoO+DG9IqhvR6YkB0BKkCfGXJZOOkKc0BUv+pggsVBQ3wclevI+5svMy+/XbivXuZc=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTD-00048B-Uh; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:38 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEUQDA0FBAX///+L 9j5tAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAd0SU1FB+UKBQY6Bj90z/wAAABISURBVCjPY2BwEGEAg1AHIA4R YQwNDQyAcBDAFYkTEIosMzQ5gThlQpA5ATg5IcRxcOsh0qEhDKI4ONR1DpEcoNtcSfUCKgcAv8S6 AHgpNQAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTAtMDVUMDY6NTg6MDYrMDA6MDClP+IzAAAA JXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEwLTA1VDA2OjU4OjA2KzAwOjAw1GJajwAAAABJRU5ErkJg gg== X-Now-Playing: ANOHNI and J. Ralph's _Singles_: "KARMA.flac" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:25:50 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216417 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Assuming that Emacs 29 will be released in 2022 or 2023, removing > anything from 24.1-24.3 should mean it's been 9-10 years since the > libraries were obsoleted in an official release. If we remove stuff > obsoleted in 24.4 and 24.5 as well, that would mean it's only been 7-8 > years. The former should be okay and in line with our historical > practice, the latter is a bit more enthusiastic and could be > discussed. Yeah, I think removing 24.4 and 24.5 things would be premature, but the older stuff should be fine. > FWIW, it is kind of nice to have the easy to understand principle that > we generally delete obsolete stuff after five major releases, but it > is true that version 24 is somewhat different from 23, 25, 26 and 27 > in that it was around for longer. We've changed our naming methodology -- we used to have major and minor releases, but with Emacs 27 we ditched that, so the obsoletion strategy has to be adjusted a bit. > I think we should just decide what we want to do in Emacs 29, and then > apply the same principle for deleting obsolete functions, variables, > etc. Yup. I think everything obsoleted before Emacs 24.3 should be up for removal in Emacs 29 (since that'd be about a decade old when Emacs 29 is released), but perhaps Eli has a different opinion. Eli? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no