From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "C-x 5 5" vs "C-x 4 1" inconsistency Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:02:43 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <875yu4aejw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83zgriwnv2.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmmwnn3.fsf@gnu.org> <8735p9jo51.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bl3xrwl0.fsf@gnu.org> <871r4sby3h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1csrbxn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23827"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 10 21:04:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mZe7h-00066n-ES for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:04:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53582 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZe7f-0006YN-SM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:04:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59784) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZe6i-0005rt-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:60171) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZe6g-0001Iq-1W; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08C1D240002; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:03:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83r1csrbxn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:07:16 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.230; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay10.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276687 Archived-At: >> The prefix 'C-x 5' is for frames, so 'C-x 5 5' creates a new frame. >> The prefix 'C-x 4' is for windows, so 'C-x 4 4' creates a new window. >> Also like 'C-x 1' keeps the selected window, 'C-x 4 1' shows the next >> buffer in the same window while keeping it selected. > > And what do you say about the other examples I gave above? > > It was always the rule with these commands that similar operations > have the same "final" keys. Now you've broken this. I think this is > not a good situation. It will definitely get in the way of my > remembering which one is which. All current keybindings already have the same final keys, e.g. C-x 4 4 C-h i - opens Info in a new window C-x 5 5 C-h i - opens Info in a new frame Their final keys are the same.