From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Representing key sequences Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <875yu157z5.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20211004081727.4F24921048@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <871r4qcs8s.fsf@gnus.org> <87o87ubcnl.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dm9en7.fsf@gnus.org> <87czoa9e7p.fsf@gnus.org> <878ryxakv9.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7573"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 13 16:13:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1maf0q-0001nw-Rj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:13:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41522 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maf0p-0008Ms-Ji for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maf02-0007gv-CE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:12:55 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:41478) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maf00-0004k4-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:12:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4IDNrws2w6dY33hYflw9IRghhfcN/Y1YAM81AMrDKpU=; b=H49E14dZQ+D3A4JDJyJDQIi0oL kiF4vGEQ7g1HY+azQ4ByhFUh2vEkm+93LJjTdTdYrN1vEtqyvn1HQs7em6rWxXX+2To4wdumMbk4F BqcOji7LrktAtbPzgoIulFvP/RETx+wyHfDmxR7oPcVKh1qldmuGAnKQY48krRpQ+2CQ=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1maezu-0000Yz-KD; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:12:49 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAALVBMVEUuIwtVOyFpZlQG BgJIMgZWTRBnVx1xbyt5gzmJczGFek2fklG6spOsl0T///9GbpeoAAAAAWJLR0QOb70wTwAAAAd0 SU1FB+UKDQ4FMRSwOZgAAAGVSURBVDjL1dO9TsMwEAdwoxbmFgl2eAKkvgBIyQMg1V4QA0POCkwM sRv1AcLHxEDLqXSBibIhgWhNJD7WsCKhknfBLthJQWxd+E/R/XJ2Yp0JIXN1m0X3VK+Rxh+ZGazN BshPWCOEVD2dEpia5+KAkKl6AVU6yW+YBwAuwaT5A6RN4GuoWFgA4YB6vl8CLpMviOhUB5etgwNT x4hSv1mxvznPpUxaiGg6KLu+WF0pNhcyNiAgoO3R4MbtcSyT3qFS6kjdertTkNwfDTQM1ZDuZdmz Bb1vS/Y0XCkVlAFAQ4zHajhOo60HB0xQJvlZt6dG6vXO36nXvr+KyUA3hdDWi6VvbJ/UGhYmJ8i4 HEh83x4/PDmgTNdhWba7aX6eZQU0eRQusRBjzPOPAmjkC9E/3Qyxg6mRRwsB7Uo8qQNy1C1jC1V9 QF3ADoQI8TRQ1jEAKOK0DPqsk7j/DhCLEPt5L3v5Hrt14gd6nU4oIBz289yCGSyPVr9mZ2MZ+PWl A10lRYr7YQZR6/qkXGmUwb058zv47+ATvbpQrpuNH0IAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEt MTAtMTNUMTQ6MDU6NDkrMDA6MDB68E1IAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEwLTEzVDE0 OjA1OjQ5KzAwOjAwC6319AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: David Grubbs & Nikus Veliotis's _The Harmless Dust_: "The Harmless Dust, Pt. Two" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:36:02 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276905 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > There are two "standard" alternatives: > (C) string (passed to `kbd`). > (D) vectors of lists (using the XEmacs syntax). > > I'd be in favor of promoting both (C) and (D) while phasing out both (A) > and (B). I'm in favour of promoting (C) and (D) (and perhaps making `define-keymap' not do (A), as Stefan K. proposed), but phasing out (A) would be difficult. (Unless you mean "not promoting (A)" as "phasing out (A)".) I don't think (B) is used much... OK, it's used more than I thought -- 209 times in the Emacs tree. Things like: (define-key global-map [?\s-~] 'ns-prev-frame) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no