From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving kbd to subr.el Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:51:04 +0000 Message-ID: <875ytrzg13.fsf@posteo.net> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <834k9km5no.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0iflsze.fsf@gnu.org> <874k9jzu7a.fsf@gnus.org> <874k9juy0r.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtnbtimj.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnmd13ny.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfx10xs6.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dfpjn3.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e94178d73e5f05@heytings.org> <83fsszfnjw.fsf@gnu.org> <31b2f1e9412c9002c8f4@heytings.org> <875ytvpgnn.fsf@gnus.org> <838ryqftlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgr487cj.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27453"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , gregory@heytings.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 20 20:52:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGhT-0006rc-1O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:52:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42224 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGhR-0002hM-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:52:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGgC-0001i3-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:45001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGg9-0007lB-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7313240103 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:51:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1634755865; bh=q0bp92xU8//8zIb+zRBDfMY5/G+WPbK7xwUzAJT4IgU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=LiKk/eoAOnuV22jSpn0KgihExyvXx8JAEr9kEKls3dsAFZAL0TApjlyHht2aImDxD 5zDcsj+FmYdEbauvuuRC2Z0PuHfvuUB4XMP8erYW3M7YiYc2kDmNJjFJfzrxZr+bDL r3HSxIb6PIaTxwvT23i2XdTN3UKHYByrymP+b+onwqbUtdBmq6ld9on3JriiEWMP30 D3fwVl0HnN8N5gg7G3OV7mLOPsOBfYBVwUPjUSJ9P00EWE2UeSLQ5pnW7w/EoB0mxW 8T2GDgbdBAcwqr92f8ZZfFGNjMvPXN1UX+7q2X/tl35qPAM5b17DrLfhEiX0tcq7cT DyKWBhVcVLqqQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HZKSm6V3Fz9ry3; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <87zgr487cj.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2021 09:48:28 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277463 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> If we are going to relegate the old syntax to "permanently deprecated" >> as I recommend, we can design a new syntax, whichever syntax we like. >> It doesn't have to use the function `kbd'. > > The syntax that `kbd' understands is the one that we're using to display > keystrokes in help texts and manuals, so inventing another syntax for > defining keys doesn't seem productive. That doesn't mean that the new functions couldn't be more lax while parsing, and dwim when I say C-f1 for M-space. -- Philip Kaludercic