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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281605 Archived-At: EZ> I see only a lot of code churn and a risk of breaking things that EZ> are perfectly fine as they are. To most gatekeepers, spaghetti code is "perfectly fine" if no one complains. And so long as the spaghetti is of their own making, let newcomers to the code spin their tires trying to modify it. Incomprehensibility is an excellent, natural defense. Churn should never be a deterrent; cleanliness is next to godliness. Any programmer with his salt can see that.