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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	"54537@debbugs.gnu.org" <54537@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#54537: Re: bug#54537: 29.0.50; Last sexp notion is different for eval-last-sexp and pp-eval-last-sexp
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 03:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875yo4ks37.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488C8CCB7EA6518902CD759F3199@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 01:57:56 +0000")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> Still calls out for a better argument than a vague
> opinion that such a change adding incompatibility
> would be "more convenient".  That's all.

Ok - let's become concrete now.

About what kinds of use cases are we a talking about?  Use cases like
this:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
`(,(+ 2 3)
  ,(+ 4 5))
#+end_src

The non-pp behavior is useful (you are able to eval the inserted
subexpressions).  The pp behavior is not useful (error).

This behaves identically in both versions:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
',(+ 4 5)
#+end_src

(you get the expected `,(+ 4 5)`.)

So we only talk about plain naked `unquote` expressions.

Do you see any concrete advantages of the pp-version behavior?  Or some
concrete hints that the pp version must be like this for more
consistency in the pp package?

OTOH, a concrete problem I see is that people avoid pp due to such things.
As far as I recall the history of the pp package, I don't expect much
logic behind the behavior.  Maybe it really just...sucks?

Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-24  2:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-23 13:51 bug#54537: 29.0.50; Last sexp notion is different for eval-last-sexp and pp-eval-last-sexp Visuwesh
2022-03-23 14:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-03-23 14:41   ` Drew Adams
2022-03-23 16:32     ` Visuwesh
2022-03-23 21:06       ` bug#54537: " Drew Adams
2022-03-24  0:42         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-24  1:57           ` Drew Adams
2022-03-24  2:22             ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2022-03-24  3:44               ` Drew Adams
2022-03-24  2:23         ` Visuwesh
2022-03-25 15:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-03-25 15:55   ` Visuwesh

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