From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Bjoern Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
Cc: 56967@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#56967: 29.0.50; Frequent crashes under Wayland
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:40:30 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <875yj3sbj5.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20004002.VVDfsmh7uS@odin> (Bjoern Bidar's message of "Sun, 07 Aug 2022 17:51:25 +0300")
Bjoern Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> writes:
> I did I had my hole session running, nothing else had that issue.
> I kept the GTK-Demo running nothing happened it ran just fine.
Thanks.
> After a few hours Emacs exited with the same behaviour as explained in the
> bug.
Do you see the same if you run Emacs as something other a daemon?
> I on the #gtk channel on what do and I got from ebassi that it is ok to just
> call _exit.
> He says it might be the client behaving wrong:
> <ebassi> Thaodan: It could happen because the client made an invalid request—
> Wayland mandates that the display server closes the connection in that case
We don't make raw Wayland requests anywhere, so it must be a bug in GTK.
> <ebassi> And if you lose the socket then you'
> <ebassi> you'll have to find the new one and reconnect
> <ebassi> Thaodan: Only emacs does that
> <ebassi> Pretty much literally
> <Thaodan> "that"?
> <ebassi> "app may run longer or before the compositor starts"
> <ebassi> Because emacs is really a 1980s teletype app
> <Thaodan> What does that change? calling _exit is not a solution.
> <Thaodan> Lets assume the fault for this happening is emacs, what could cause
> this?
Outdated information. The PGTK port of Emacs doesn't do anything close
to that, because GTK doesn't let us.
> <ebassi> Calling exit is perfectly acceptable: the display connection is
> severed, and that can happen for multiple reasons, including the display
> server going away
> <ebassi> There's no "the display server is still running, but it closed the
> socket" mechanism for the toolkit to use
So why not use exit, which lets the atexit handlers run?
> <ebassi> The socket got closed
> <ebassi> The toolkit terminates
> <ebassi> Thaodan: It could happen because the client made an invalid request—
> Wayland mandates that the display server closes the connection in that case
> <ebassi> Or the display server decided to kill the client because it was
> unresponsive
> <Thaodan> Why should the toolkit/lib call exit isn't there any better
> mechanism to doing such a thing in glib or gtk for that matter?
> <Thaodan> It would be better to not need any hacks to prevent gtk from killing
> apps.
> <ebassi> Thaodan: There is no such mechanism
> <Thaodan> ebassi: OK so what's the idea behind using _exit as a mechanism,
> doesn't that break any other app that has state so safe too? like for example
> an office application that wants to safe it's data before going down.
> <ebassi> I already told you
> <ebassi> If the display connection is closed by the server, then there's no
> safe way to store the data
Store the data that is in Emacs core?? How did these people learn to
write software?
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2022-08-04 7:36 bug#56967: 29.0.50; Frequent crashes under Wayland Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-04 8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-08-04 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-04 11:49 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05 0:18 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-08-05 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-08-05 8:26 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-08-05 6:56 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-08-05 6:29 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 14:51 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 15:14 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 2:42 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-08 2:40 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-08-08 6:07 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-12-13 12:10 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-12-13 17:06 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-08-05 6:31 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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2022-08-05 6:35 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05 6:55 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05 7:01 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-17 16:02 ` Gavin Massingham
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2022-08-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-05 7:34 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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