From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <875yfb5rg5.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87fsemjs7v.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn7skqne.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <83h6yw9hhf.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6ywgfii.fsf@posteo.net> <83edtza04u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24460"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spwhitton@spwhitton.name, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 19 08:34:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1owIMk-00068L-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:34:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owIM4-0006H9-Qv; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:33:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owIM3-0006GH-Dh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:33:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owIM1-0003Pm-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:33:35 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42B98240105 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:33:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1668843210; bh=gG4G9dv5SJFWYTXec1OY2cERXnUY2x+QVdiJmLm5YTQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=iafhT6BKeTh1d6BAQj6QW80k14axI6i/p5+AbVztq5WU+ZWyZpBQbVIiEZLG7RVuk 9BsiUbwGvQNuooOWE2pjrARS1/N00SjYXPXoWt8hMfUlHNjO0sorfG9uSOC7p8Cw6T C16lYJj+nThXh+1dERtShQydA1moIebZQS1E8Pl8rR0A9wfI5fZUJXysDViCog4GTt RyjH1vwCMDrdGZv2vksq0io04t6kXZ1eqco5scTXdnLfgF/i66U7LKMJwRpcMM7yl/ qmLK51gpjgi7O7A9laNRzx4rEUp4NVxFoYrQ4Wi55pb+k+Eu/NUSvvf3smK4PtJ29h NJNz/l9RXZYbg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NDlkd3Jmrz9rxK; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:33:29 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83edtza04u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Nov 2022 09:12:17 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300137 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: Sean Whitton , luangruo@yahoo.com, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 20:43:33 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Sean Whitton >> >> Cc: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." >> >> , eliz@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:29:25 -0700 >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> On Mon 14 Nov 2022 at 08:27AM +08, Po Lu wrote: >> >> >> >> > Personally, I hope that everything most people find useful will >> >> > eventually make its way into Emacs, because doing so is a direct >> >> > shortcut to making Emacs more useful for everyone. >> >> >> >> We are still aiming to bundle all of GNU ELPA with releases of Emacs at >> >> some point, right? >> > >> > Not all of it, no. Only some of it. >> >> What would the criteria for inclusion be like? > > Packages that we'd like to have in Emacs, but for some reason are on > ELPA instead. This would allow packages like Magit, Org, project.el, > and maybe others to stay only on ELPA. 1. project.el and Org is already included, even developed in Emacs? 2. Are we talking about GNU ELPA or both NonGNU ELPA and GNU ELPA. Because fro what I understand, Magit would require a copyright exception to be added. Perhaps we can take a look at the results of the Emacs Survey, when that comes out later this month and collect a list of popular contenders? > Which is why including in a > release packages from ELPA is something we'd like to be able to do in > the first place. > > ELPA admits packages that do the same job as other packages, and also > packages that do some jobs that are extremely niche jobs. So > including everything makes very little sense to me. I agree.