From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 03:00:35 +0100 Message-ID: <875y27g27w.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkc0ifzf.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7fzollf.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6615"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:+GX0kb/Ho21U/wDUDHdI+bZxtO8= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 12 06:49:11 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r23LL-0001WM-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:49:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r23LB-0004x5-00; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:49:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1zmK-0000Nz-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1zmI-0006Gv-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:00:47 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1zmF-0004Xe-Nm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 03:00:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:48:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312633 Archived-At: Po Lu wrote: >>> But again, that isn't the case with cl-lib. It is already >>> there and it is very easy to use to improve your code. >>> Even for a single file and a single use case, what would >>> be the reason no to do it? >> >> I agree with you - the logic there makes sense. That's what >> often happens. > > It's not preloaded It is loaded when it is used. When it is loaded is a technicality at that point, unless the preloaded or not distinction has some hidden meaning I'm unaware of. > and makes for an alluring invitation for others to produce > more cryptic code with it, like virtually any caller of > cl-loop, as so vividly demonstrated by some other posters in > this thread. "cl-loop" appears 1004 times in the Emacs source so a lot of people put it do good use. I also think `cl-loop' is very useful. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal