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From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
To: 71817@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#71817: 29.3; Sub-directory handling of ELPA package
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 03:13:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875xtt8jdm.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (raw)


Hi,

I'm opening a bug to continue the discussion from the emacs-devel
mailing list thread[1].

TL;DR I would like to understand how upstream would like to handle
sub-directories with ELisp source files as to whether to add them to
`load-path' recursively or not to determine the path forward for source
code organization.

Currently as observed, ELPA packages only get their root path added to
`load-path', but source code in sub-directories will still get
byte-compiled.  That is, for an ELPA package elpafoo with a nested
sub-directory of the following structure (installed through package.el):

,----
| ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/
| ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el
| ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar
| ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el
`----

only `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', while both
elpafoo.el and elpabar.el will get byte-compiled.  Currently I don't
seem to find where this behavior is documented, so do give me a pointer
if it exists.

If this is not yet a policy, I wonder whether this will be the path
forward for `load-path' handling.  I see some pros of adding
sub-directories recursively, such as better source code organization so
that not all source code files need to reside in the root directory.
However, the downside is also obvious, such as unnecessary loading of
test sources as Michael pointed out in [2], or loading vendored code
that could cause conflicts (as I observed in the case of auctex), etc.

So, what would be the upstream or package.el maintainers' opinions on
how this should be handled?

Thanks in advance.

[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg00658.html
[2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg01039.html


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-- 
Xiyue Deng





             reply	other threads:[~2024-06-28 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-28 10:13 Xiyue Deng [this message]
2024-06-28 11:19 ` bug#71817: 29.3; Sub-directory handling of ELPA package Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-28 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-29 23:32   ` Xiyue Deng
2024-06-30  3:26     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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