From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Janusz_S._Bie=F1?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: emacs too big for knoppix? Date: 06 May 2003 15:21:16 +0200 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <874r488b3n.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> References: <87ptmzljyg.fsf@jidanni.org> Reply-To: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052227648 17371 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 13:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 15:27:26 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19D2Rk-0004Lj-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 15:25:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D2SD-0008Dc-01 for gnu-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 09:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D2RI-0007kU-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 09:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D2Qi-0007SO-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 09:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([193.0.96.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D2PR-0005t9-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 09:23:06 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8FD589D; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:22:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (duch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27755-02; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:22:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1009) id 42A4C589F; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:22:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.95 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:4967 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:4967 On 06 May 2003 David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup) wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: [...] > > This may be true in some cases, but "installing a Debian system" is > > not a well-defined destination. Debian distributes non-free > > packages as well as free ones. Using Knoppix as it stands may be a > > road to installing Debian with non-free packages and leaving it that > > way. > > So is the Internet. Should we discourage getting Emacs via the > Internet since one could install non-free packages that way, too? Congratulation, David - this is an extremely good argument. > > I'd love to add something akin to not being more papist than the pope, > but it would be sort of tautological. > > Anyhow, I don't know the Debian package system, but if I remember > correctly, it does make it obvious which packages are free and which > are unfree, and so the choice is for the user to make. Exactly. You decide to install non-free packages on a package by package basis. At any moment you can review your installation and the non-free packages are clearly separated. > Freedom > includes the user's freedom to install non-free software, and our > freedom to pester^W educate him about it. As long as we are dealing > with informed choices, I guess that is more or less the extent of what > one can and should do. I fully support you. BTW, the really radical approach would involve emigrating from a country where law allows software patents, but the choice of destination may become very limited :-(. Regards to everybody Janusz -- , dr hab. Janusz S. Bien, prof. UW Prof. Janusz S. Bien, Warsaw Uniwersity http://www.orient.uw.edu.pl/~jsbien/