From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brockman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:56:52 +0200 Message-ID: <874qc5y7tn.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> References: <17066.8325.936620.610082@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118455711 3961 80.91.229.2 (11 Jun 2005 02:08:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 02:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 04:08:25 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DgvQ1-0006sS-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:08:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DgvUJ-0004jS-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DgvTU-0004J4-CP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:11:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DgvTO-0004H3-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:11:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DgvTO-0004Df-Mz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:11:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DgvBm-0004jT-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:53:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dgv6w-0004yO-FV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:48:34 +0200 Original-Received: from c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.112.182.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:48:34 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 03:48:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se X-Face: :&2UWGm>e24)ip~'K@iOsA&JT3JX*v@1-#L)=dUb825\Fwg#`^N!Y*g-TqdS AevzjFJe96f@V'ya8${57/T'"mTd`1o{TGYhHnVucLq!D$r2O{IN)7>.0op_Y`%r;/Q +(]`3F-t10N7NF\.Mm0q}p1:%iqTi:5]1E]rDF)R$9.!,Eu'9K':y9^U3F8UCS1M+A$ 8[[[WT^`$P[vu>P+8]aQMh9giu&fPCqLW2FSsGs User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:DCul5SSEwuASWhOyqPFn8EP5A8U= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38554 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38554 Nick Roberts writes: > I have set mouse-1-click-follows-link to nil in my .emacs for a > while now. I found it harder to work out when I need to hold down > mouse-1 that bit longer to not follow a link, than to press mouse-2 > when I did want to follow a link (and this is with a two button > mouse which emulates mouse-2). Most mice these days seem to come with two proper buttons and a clickable scroll wheel. On these devices, you usually need to _click_ the scroll wheel to generate a mouse-2 event. This is often much more difficult than clicking two ordinary buttons simultaneously. I currently don't have a mouse, but when I do use one I generally don't use it for moving around in the buffer a lot. I do tend to use it to follow links such as URLs and those in Customize buffers. Besides, most buffers don't have a high link density, so you can usually just click next to one and then move point into place using the keyboard. Dragging works as usual in any case. > I was constantly going places that I didn't want to go and I find > the old behaviour a lot easier. I suspect most people who feel like you will instantly realize that they liked the old behavior better, type C-h n and search for `mouse'. This will immediately give clues about how to switch back. On the other hand, many people new to Emacs will not even attempt to click the scroll wheel to follow a link. (Even given the tooltip.) After seeing that nothing happens when you click links using mouse-1, people will conclude that Emacs does not support clickable links. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really think the current default is the most useful and reasonable, _especially_ to newcomers, but also to lots of experienced people (myself included). -- Daniel Brockman