From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dieter Wilhelm Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: `woman' can't be used outside emacs? Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:35:22 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <874prmeqnp.fsf@hans.local.net> References: <87psadxieu.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1166877359 28321 80.91.229.10 (23 Dec 2006 12:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 23 13:35:58 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Gy66R-0006lt-O4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:35:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gy66R-00015t-80 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:35:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gy66E-00013H-PF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:35:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gy66D-000122-TC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:35:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gy66D-00011g-Jn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:35:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gy66D-0002Ji-3d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:35:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [84.167.22.94] (helo=duenenhof-wilhelm.de) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Gy6620jhj-0003CA; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:35:27 +0100 Original-Received: by duenenhof-wilhelm.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 812112DFAB; Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:35:22 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Tim X." In-Reply-To: <87psadxieu.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> (Tim X.'s message of "Fri\, 22 Dec 2006 04\:34\:01 +1100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:d7ab225b98a136e1c2910381f940ecb9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:39857 Archived-At: Tim X writes: >> >> Emacs tries to do almost everything when it is possible. >> I can't understand why it does this way. > ... > > To some extent, with virtual consoles, window managers with virtual > desktops and the increased sophistication of many apps, it can be > harder to justify using emacs for everything. However, I like the No it isn't harder to justify, in my opinion. Since Windows 3.1 I was used to open more and more applications in parallel. Since working with Emacs (which made me to adapt to Gnu/Linux in private) I'm in the process to replace more and more file managers, terminals and what not with Emacs "applications". > ... > > The other thing is that once you get to know elisp, extending or > changing emacs' functionality is so easy, its just simpler to do it in > emacs than actually develop something else - especially as often the > most boring and time consuming part of creating a new app or bit of > functionality is the interface and with emacs, most of this is already > done. I even know people that use emacs as their window manager under > X - instead of an exec fvwm (or whatever) in their .xsession file, I'd love doing this but my font size of the virtual consoles is too big. > they have an exec emacs. As a blind user, I use a package called > emacspeak, which provides sophisticated speech feedback that allows me Are you completely blind? So that the emails must be read for you by emacsspeak? Then the usual way of "citing" (including snippets of older mails) in mailing lists must be very disturbing for your hearing experience. How are you dealing with this and quotations and acronyms and capitalization and ...? -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany