From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Sieger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:15:23 -0400 Message-ID: <874phksyuc.fsf@gmail.com> References: <46F2BA57.3060604@gmail.com> <87fy16q8kq.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190593120 14656 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2007 00:18:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:18:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 02:18:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZbel-0002g6-LF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:18:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbej-0000oW-0J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:18:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbeS-0000mw-On for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:18:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbeQ-0000l8-If for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:18:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbeP-0000kR-Qq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:18:14 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZbeP-00006J-5z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IZbca-0001dD-RZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:16:20 +0000 Original-Received: from pool-68-161-39-154.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.161.39.154]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:16:20 +0000 Original-Received: from sean.sieger by pool-68-161-39-154.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:16:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-161-39-154.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.0 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tT/eygdOSQ66h26OdOfOdUVFzrM= X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47786 Archived-At: To be honest and not trying to be rude [...] guess what, my advice .....RTFM! The `F' part is rude. Rudeness aside, there is a certain opacity to the GNU Emacs Manual that, for me is only subverted by reading---or maybe scanning---every message posted to this list and stumbling on useful functions and variables while looking for something else (which I don't usually find) in the manual. I have learned more about Emacs reading threads on this list with subject lines of seemingly no interest to me than anywhere else. You *are* right about `The Detailed Node Listing', it and the practice of doing `C-h m' have been the most informative along with the chanceful methods above.