From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Beginning Hobbyist Programmer Question Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:04:41 +0100 Message-ID: <874pdbtsgm.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <44129c70-807a-4ef0-bc4f-e299caf5e334@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200649680 7912 80.91.229.12 (18 Jan 2008 09:48:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:48:00 +0000 (UTC) To: gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 18 10:48:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JFnpi-0001bE-JX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:48:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFnpJ-00008X-LI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JFnp0-00008S-MB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JFnoz-000089-BO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFnoz-000086-3H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:33 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFnoz-0000Ll-6S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JFnoy-00031K-Ep for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFnov-0000Kl-MY for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:32 -0500 Original-Received: from ppp-236-35.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.35.236] helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFnov-0000KB-Cq for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:29 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JFn9V-0001pd-4y for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:04:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <44129c70-807a-4ef0-bc4f-e299caf5e334@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> (signups's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:04:46 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Greylist: delayed 2462 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:47:29 EST X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50794 Archived-At: () signups17@gmail.com () Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:04:46 -0800 (PST) As I get more and more into programming, I get the sense that "real" programmers use emacs or vi, or some other editor that from my perspective, seems arcane and impenetrable compared to something simple like IDLE that comes with Python, or Scite, for example. Can anyone provide a cogent explanation for why I should take the time to climb that learning curve? What are the benefits, as you see them? real programmers use their brain. real programmers program their brain. often, real programmers' brain-programming program is emacs. thi