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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnuvola.org>
To: dhruva <dhruvakm@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Bazaar repository
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:04:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874pbbyoy1.fsf@ambire.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e3f230850803130104o3d73bad5s958df6caa50ff745@mail.gmail.com> (dhruva's message of "Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:34:56 +0530")

() dhruva <dhruvakm@gmail.com>
() Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:34:56 +0530

   IMHO, the performance aspects must be considered seriously.

If performance can't be engineered into the entire system, the
usual (serious) way to do it is to use hierarchy to partially
separate the slow parts from the fast parts.

 CPU <-> L[1...n]-CACHE <-> MEMORY <-> DISK <-> NETWORK

Here, CPU can spin as fast as it wants.  It is not limited by
speeds between other elements of the hierarchy, apart from
L1-CACHE, and yet can (if All Goes Well :--) conduct useful
dialogue w/ NETWORK anyway.

I think a similar arrangement is best for my case:

 ttn <-> git <-> bzr <-> emacs@internet

Since i cannot make bzr faster, i do my local spinning w/ Git.
Presently, i'm still (half-heartedly) searching for the git/bzr
gateway, hoping someone will post a url...  btw, i see there is
already some thought on the problem for Git and Mercurial:
<http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2007/03/24/git-and-hg/>.

For the email-only crowd, on that webpage, Theodore T'so sez:

| So basically git does have short-comings, yes, but people will
| come out in different places about which tools is best for them,
| and that’s OK. Actually, I think the ultimate solution for this
| problem is to build a bidrectoinal hg/git gateway. There are
| tools that will export from hg to git, and vice versa, and they
| are actually pretty sophisticated. I don’t think it should be
| that painful to create a tool that does incremental exports in
| both directions, maintaining state so that the right thing
| happens when a commit gets made on the git side, and gets
| exported into hg, or vice versa. Ultimately I think that’s the
| best solution, since that way people can use whatever tool they
| want, and still contribute and development as first class
| citizens. This is the main reason why I’ve held off on
| converting e2fsprogs to git (although I have made some private
| test repositories which I’ll use to take advantage of git’s
| superior annotation and query/log utilities); I don’t want to
| make a git repository of e2fsprogs public until I’m sure that a
| bidrectional gateway tool won’t require me to make any changes
| that affect the commit-id’s, since that would invalidate any
| work that people have done that was based on a clone of the
| coverted git repository.
|
| I have a rough design for how to do the bidirectional gateway,
| but the issue is finding time to implement it. Anyone with free
| time looking for a project? If so, contact me. I probably should
| have written this up as a potential Google Summer of Code
| project, but it’s too late for this year. Oh, well.

IMHO, it's just a matter of time until some Righteous Hacker
stitches it all together.  It's a nice problem.

thi




  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-13  9:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 236+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-12 23:41 Emacs Bazaar repository Jason Earl
2008-03-13  1:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  1:52 ` dhruva
2008-03-13  2:26   ` Bastien
2008-03-13  2:28   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  3:12     ` dhruva
2008-03-13  4:06 ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-13  4:11   ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-29  1:00     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-13 15:30   ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-13 15:58     ` dhruva
2008-03-13 16:50     ` Jason Earl
2008-03-13 20:18     ` How to spell "commit" [was: bikeshedding bzr (or similar) :] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13  4:09 ` Emacs Bazaar repository Karl Fogel
2008-03-13  4:15   ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-13  4:30     ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-14  1:11       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14  1:51         ` Jason Earl
2008-03-14  5:10           ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-13  9:58     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-13 22:13       ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-14 10:27         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 10:36           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13  5:08   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-13 10:39   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-13 14:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  4:19 ` Eric Hanchrow
2008-03-13  5:20   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-13  8:04     ` dhruva
2008-03-13  9:04       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2008-03-13  9:41         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 12:08           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-13 23:46       ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-14  2:52         ` dhruva
2008-03-14  3:00           ` Jason Earl
2008-03-14  3:03           ` Martin Pool
2008-03-14  5:36             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-14  7:03               ` Martin Pool
2008-03-15  4:44                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-14 10:30         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 15:02         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-03-13 11:20     ` James Westby
2008-03-13 16:37       ` Jason Earl
2008-03-13  7:43 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-13  8:49   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-13  9:07     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-13 13:11     ` Aaron Bentley
2008-03-13 11:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-13 11:55   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14  9:58     ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 10:42       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 12:24         ` Matthieu Moy
     [not found]         ` <8562053f49b38b1584b86e1e4d1ec6e6, vpqbq5htrwx.fsf@bauges.imag.fr>
2008-03-14 12:42           ` David Ingamells
2008-03-14 13:05             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 12:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-14  8:23         ` John Arbash Meinel
2008-03-14 13:32           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 13:39             ` James Westby
2008-03-14 14:13             ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 14:30               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 14:37                 ` Nicholas Allen
2008-03-14 16:17                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 16:32                     ` Daniel Mark Watkins
2008-03-14 15:15                 ` David Allouche
2008-03-14 15:21                   ` James Westby
2008-03-14 15:43                 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 13:35           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 13:44             ` James Westby
2008-03-14 13:59               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 14:09                 ` James Westby
2008-03-14 14:29                   ` Nicholas Allen
2008-03-15  0:39                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-15 10:30                     ` James Westby
2008-03-15 12:30                       ` James Westby
2008-03-14 23:34           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-17 10:41             ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-17 12:39             ` Sergei Organov
2008-03-18  1:48               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-18  2:13                 ` dhruva
2008-03-18  4:03                   ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-18  5:00                     ` dhruva
2008-03-18  5:40                       ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-18  9:17                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-18 10:00                       ` dhruva
2008-03-19  5:44                         ` Bastien
2008-03-19  9:42                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-19 14:04                             ` Bastien
2008-03-19 14:49                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-19 15:30                                 ` Bastien
2008-03-29  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-18 16:50                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 18:15                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-20 14:00                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-20 14:10                             ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-20 15:33                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-20 20:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-21 12:51                             ` dhruva
2008-03-29  1:00                       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-18 19:31                     ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-18 19:27                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 20:05                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-18 20:26                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-22  4:23                         ` Michael Olson
2008-03-22 11:18                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-24  6:19                             ` Michael Olson
2008-03-25  9:36                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-20  1:04                       ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-18 20:58                     ` Brian Cully
2008-03-18 21:13                       ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-18 21:45                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 22:02                       ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-19  1:21                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 23:18                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 23:46                         ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-19  0:13                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-19  0:17                           ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-19  1:14                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-19  0:12                     ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-26  7:56                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 22:22                         ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-29  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-14 12:56         ` dhruva
2008-03-14 13:10           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-14 13:23             ` dhruva
2008-03-14 13:26               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 14:19             ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 14:29               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-15  0:43             ` Jonathan Rockway
2008-03-15 14:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-15 15:06                 ` dhruva
2008-03-15  0:44             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-17 10:43               ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 22:26           ` Martin Geisler
2008-03-15 12:09             ` dhruva
2008-03-15 21:32               ` Martin Geisler
2008-03-25 21:46               ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-03-19 10:50           ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-14 13:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 14:24           ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-14 14:41             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 14:46               ` Jelmer Vernooij
2008-03-14 15:15                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-15  0:49               ` Harald Meland
2008-03-14 18:04         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14 19:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 19:47             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 20:01               ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-14 20:06                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 21:43         ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-15  0:00         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 20:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-14 10:23     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14  3:56   ` Forest Bond
2008-03-14 10:32     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 11:28       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 22:23         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-14 23:49           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  4:52   ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-14  6:21     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14  6:33       ` Alexander Belchenko
2008-03-14  7:16         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14  9:18           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-14 10:08             ` Matthew D. Fuller
2008-03-14 10:14               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-19 16:31             ` Nicholas Allen
2008-03-14 10:35     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 10:37     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 11:30   ` Matt Nordhoff
2008-03-29  1:00   ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-13 13:07 ` Andrea Russo
2008-03-14  9:16   ` Nicholas Allen
2008-03-13 14:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 18:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 18:35   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-14 18:51   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 19:15     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 19:32       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-14 20:12       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 18:31 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2008-03-16 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-16 19:53   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-17 15:00     ` Michael Haggerty
2008-03-17 16:37       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-16 21:47   ` Toshio Kuratomi
2008-03-18 15:43 ` Emacs repository benchmark: bzr and git Teemu Likonen
2008-03-18 15:51   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 16:05     ` dhruva
2008-03-19  2:53       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27  1:32         ` Jonathan Lange
2008-03-27  2:24           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-27  2:55           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-27 11:58             ` dhruva
2008-03-27 13:59             ` Vincent Ladeuil
2008-03-29  1:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-29  1:30                 ` James Westby
2008-03-29  3:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-29  4:06                     ` James Westby
2008-03-29  4:50                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-29  1:00             ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-29  4:34               ` David Cournapeau
2008-03-31  0:00                 ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-29  1:00       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-29  9:19         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-29  9:58           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 10:13             ` dhruva
2008-03-29 10:26               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-31  0:00               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-29 14:55             ` Randal L. Schwartz
2008-03-29 16:35               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-03-29 18:13                 ` tomas
2008-03-29 21:05                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-30  5:49               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30  5:49           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30  6:25             ` Jonathan Rockway
2008-03-30 19:56               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-31  0:00           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-18 16:19     ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-19  9:43       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-03-18 16:02   ` Matthieu Moy
2008-03-18 16:33     ` dhruva
2008-03-18 18:41       ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-03-19  1:40         ` dhruva
2008-03-18 21:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-18 17:11     ` Teemu Likonen
2008-03-18 17:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 18:20       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-18 16:43   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-18 19:19     ` Teemu Likonen
2008-03-18 20:22   ` James Westby
2008-03-19 11:37   ` Emacs repository benchmark: bzr and git (rerun) Teemu Likonen
2008-03-19 12:17     ` James Westby
2008-03-19 22:39       ` Robert Collins
2008-03-19 16:41     ` Teemu Likonen
2008-03-22 17:59 ` Emacs Bazaar repository Stefan Monnier
2008-03-22 19:59   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-24  7:53 ` Christian Faulhammer

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