From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:10:42 +0900 Message-ID: <874panr3kd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324200911.GA1310@muc.de> <001e01c88dee$34267e90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080324210229.GB1310@muc.de> <85myogm1to.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <47EFF70A.3030700@gmail.com> <8563v4lzum.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206932513 7293 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2008 03:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: M Jared Finder , paul r , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 31 05:02:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgAHv-0002No-Pt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:02:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAHK-0002UJ-5z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAHG-0002UE-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAHD-0002U2-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAHD-0002Tz-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgAH6-00039E-Oc; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:33 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B70F1535AC; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:01:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A193F1A29F3; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:10:42 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8563v4lzum.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 2785829fe37c XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94006 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > > In contrary I think cua-mode is an excellent help for many > > beginners. > > But should we make them beginners forever? The people who are beginners at any given time are beginners at that time. This will be true forever, and at present rates of growth that's about half as long as it will take Emacs to get a majority share of editor users. (I don't think that's an appropriate goal; I simply propose that there will be plenty of people to recruit to be beginners forever.) > Could be just me, but I don't remember things being that bad Oh, wow. I do. I remember when ESC quit anything, except that ESC ESC ESC ESC replied, "Buwhahaha! Can't hack buffers, can you?" and left you in the minibuffer. (Actually, I'm making up the Buwhahaha! part. The rest is true.) But that's beside the point. Yes, David, you are different from the majority of beginning users of editors these days. That is, they want their editor to have no learning curve at all. It should start out easy, and stay easy, and do things for them. They do not want to learn anything about the editor.