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From: Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com,
	"Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, ams@gnu.org,
	dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:03:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874p9vx9fu.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85bq43xcq9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon\, 21 Apr 2008 20\:51\:58 +0200")


> As an example: I can explain Emacs' general mouse cut/copy/paste
> interface in 4 lines of text:
>
> Single/double/triple left mouse clicks mark character/word/line start
> respectively of the region.  Dragging or single right mouse click marks
> the other end, double right mouse click deletes the region.  In either
> case, middle mouse pastes the previous region contents.

The "incremental" nature of this interface makes the trial-error
methodology very efficient in this case. IOW, people can understand
immediatly, and without refering to huge documentation of which they
aren't even aware of existence. We agree on this particular case.

> After all: new users might give up because they don't realize that what
> fails to make them more efficient than when using other editors is only
> a default setting, not inherent to the emacs program itself.

Yes. But I am not trying to argue what is the most efficient way to
work, I'm leaving this decision to each emacs user feeling. I just
want newcomers to feel sufficiently welcome to stay a bit and see.
They will then have plenty of time to discover how to increase the
productivity of their tool.

If you had a shop at the first floor of a building, would you build
some stairs with 1 meter high steps each, just because you know its
doable with lots of training, and incidentatly more efficient than
many many tiny 20cm high steps, like in every other place ?

--
      Paul




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-18 22:06 FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19  3:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-19 20:11   ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 20:22     ` David Kastrup
2008-04-19 20:33       ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 13:47         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-19 23:18       ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 23:43         ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 10:10           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-20 14:57           ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21  3:08             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21  3:59               ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-21 19:47                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:57                 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-21 21:40                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 18:34           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2008-04-20 19:25             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 19:31               ` delete-selection-mode Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-20 19:48                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:28                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:32                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:53                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:20                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:42                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  5:37                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:18                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  6:24                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:40                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  9:36                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 16:44                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:47                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:12                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:53                                             ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:02                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 20:28                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21  6:44                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:19                                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 16:41                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:01                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 17:45                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:58                                         ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 18:36                                           ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 18:51                                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:04                                               ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:48                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:06                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 20:09                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:10                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:54                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:56                                               ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:07                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22  4:20                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22  5:34                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-22  8:10                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-22  8:38                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 20:08                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 20:08                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:03                                               ` Paul R [this message]
2008-04-21 20:39                                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:51                                             ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 20:06                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:10                                     ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-21 19:47                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-22 12:20                                         ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 12:34                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 15:54                                             ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 13:29                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2008-04-21 19:47                                 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-20 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:27                     ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:28                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:32               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 19:37           ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-20 19:29             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:26               ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 21:45                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  0:10                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:23                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21  1:44                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  0:28                     ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21  1:44                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21  3:07           ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 20:35     ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 22:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 23:22         ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 23:52           ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-21  0:13             ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21  1:03             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] <E1Nq9QM-0005sN-MO@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org>
2010-03-12 22:58 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX James Cloos
2010-03-12 23:23   ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]     ` <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu>
2010-03-13  1:14       ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-17  0:54         ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Juri Linkov
2010-03-17  4:51           ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default onUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:32             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:08               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  1:38                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18  5:21                   ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-18 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 21:23                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 10:12           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 13:28             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 13:56               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 18:07             ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-17 14:35           ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-17 19:30             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 19:38               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 19:53                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 20:24                 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 20:36                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:09                     ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 21:25                     ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 21:37                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:55                         ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  7:53                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18  2:48                       ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-17 21:43                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18  7:56                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:27                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 17:15                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:54                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21  8:21                           ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21  9:01                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 15:33                               ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 15:43                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  0:55                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18  0:33                 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-18  0:42               ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Richard Stallman
2010-03-18  1:48                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18  2:57                   ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 16:37                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 16:41                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:02                       ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 16:42                         ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-20  2:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  2:36                             ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20  5:42                             ` delete-selection-mode Uwe Siart
2010-03-20 16:49                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:53                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:15                                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 22:27                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-22  1:04                                     ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22  1:16                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-22  6:48                                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22  1:21                                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22  2:04                                         ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 15:25                                           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-22 15:29                                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23  0:21                                             ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23  4:58                                             ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23  7:48                                               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23  9:02                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 16:13                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 16:40                                                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 17:13                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 17:23                                                       ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 18:09                                                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24  9:29                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:34                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25  7:07                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 17:44                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  7:02                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 20:13                                                                     ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  5:04                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-26  5:11                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Daniel Colascione
2010-03-26  7:03                                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26  7:37                                                                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 21:52                                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 22:07                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24  0:47                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:57                                                           ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-26  2:48                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 17:29                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:20                                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26  3:51                                                             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-26  6:03                                                               ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-26 12:51                                                               ` delete-selection-mode Teemu Likonen
2010-03-23 17:18                                                   ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 17:18                                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 17:33                                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-22  6:44                                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22  7:41                                         ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 13:51                                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22  7:48                                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 14:37                                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-24 15:15                                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 20:27                                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-25  2:55                                           ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2010-03-20 18:28                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 22:27                                   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 17:21                         ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-19 19:01                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-23  3:01                         ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-23 15:20                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 17:35                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 15:56                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 18:52                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 22:28                           ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 23:59                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20  2:24                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  3:40                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 16:49                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:36                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  2:02                     ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-19  2:46                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:35                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20  2:23                       ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20  3:53                         ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-20  4:33                           ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-20 11:31                           ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50                             ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:51                               ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:37                                 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21  1:15                                   ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21  2:59                                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 21:58                               ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21  1:17                                 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21  4:56                                   ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 11:36                                     ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50                           ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:32                             ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-21 22:27                               ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19  3:39                     ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-19  3:50                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 17:06                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18  8:18                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:33             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18  3:15               ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-18  4:40             ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18  8:21               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 16:14                 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 10:12               ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 10:30                 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:52                   ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:06                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15                   ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:27                     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:39                       ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:54                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  1:28                           ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19  6:33                             ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                               ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:55                       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  1:23                         ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19  2:33                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:31                         ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                           ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:57                   ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 14:15                 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-18 14:34                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 15:35                     ` delete-selection-mode Berndl, Klaus
2010-03-18 15:57                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:16                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:51                     ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:25                       ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 21:45                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  0:35                         ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19  6:28                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:49                 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:02                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15                 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:35                   ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 19:22                     ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-18 21:55                     ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  6:32                       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19  7:43                         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19  8:07                           ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:05                             ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 13:14                               ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 22:27                               ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21  8:26                 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-17 16:18           ` delete-selection-mode Glenn Morris
2010-03-17 21:46             ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-17 19:31 AW: delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 20:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-18  9:24   ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18  9:57     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:54 delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 21:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-19  9:23   ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-19 10:30     ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:09     ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 13:26       ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 13:47         ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 19:05         ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29  4:42 delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-04-29 13:32 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-04-29 18:06   ` delete-selection-mode James Cloos
2010-04-29 18:27     ` delete-selection-mode Deniz Dogan
2010-04-29 19:47       ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 20:37       ` delete-selection-mode Kim F. Storm
2010-04-30  5:54   ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman

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