From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Visual line movement inconsistency Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:45:48 +0200 Message-ID: <874p55z20j.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219931500 19950 80.91.229.12 (28 Aug 2008 13:51:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:51:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 28 15:52:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYhs1-0000mc-12 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51415 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYhqw-00064A-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYhqr-00063w-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYhqk-00063B-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56100 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYhqk-000638-F7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]:29799) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYhqj-00063j-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E327899B55 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deliver.uni-koblenz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17283-07 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:47:39 +0200 (CEST) X-CHKRCPT: Envelopesender vrfy tassilo@member.fsf.org Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (dhcp188.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.71.188]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21544789911F for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at uni-koblenz.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103070 Archived-At: Hi all, since some time C-n/C-p move by visual/screen lines, not by logical. Basically, I like that behavior, but I found it very confusing that C-a/C-e don't work on visual lines. A quick look into the docs showed that I have to enable visual-line-mode, and with that turned on I'm quite satisfied (although I don't like word-wrapping without fringe indicators, so I added them back). But is this inconsistent behavior of C-n/C-p and C-a/C-e really the intended default? I think it would be better if C-a/C-e respected the value of `line-move-visual', too. Then the default would be like visual-line-mode without word-wrapping. Bye, Tassilo