From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Spammers are now closing bugs Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:51 +0900 Message-ID: <874owh1is4.fsf@xemacs.org> References: <87ab6cphof.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <49EBB69F.4050704@gnu.org> <20090421072756.GB1082@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240369909 16721 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2009 03:11:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Stefan Monnier , Don Armstrong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 05:13:08 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LwStY-0002ST-3z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:13:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LwSs9-0004zs-1T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LwSs4-0004yK-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:11:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LwSry-0004tV-Js for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58109 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LwSry-0004tF-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:11:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:56721) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LwSrv-0005HY-Tf; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:11:28 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54691537B4; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:11:18 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C1711A2606; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:51 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 83e35df20028+ XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110407 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: > In other words, I think the current setup is: > > ham+spam ham+spam ham > -------> emacsbugs -------> moderators ---> bug-gnu-emacs > > > I'm suggesting moving the moderation step: > > ham+spam ham > -------> moderators ---> emacsbugs ---> bug-gnu-emacs That is not possible. AIUI, bug-gnu-emacs is an open-post list. Thus, this *would* double the burden, since the moderators would be asked to moderate both lists. (At least for Alan it would double, since for him the cost is almost entirely in opening the moderation page, and he'd have to do it once for each list.) I don't see any way around this, because b-g-e needs to be open-post, while I believe the BTS wants to see the bug posts before b-g-e does, so that the b-g-e archives will have appropriate bug IDs. The best I can think of is for Don to install Mailman, and have an a router in his MTA that sends the bug posts to a single Mailman list, where the moderation (and optionally other spamtrapping and content filtering) is done. This list would have one subscriber: Don's debbugs for Emacs installation. It would not accept nor deliver mail off his site.