From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: AW: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:06:45 +0900 Message-ID: <874ot1xk2y.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <4A67593D.6020908@gmx.at> <1248289454.7109.47.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A682C53.2080307@gmx.at> <1248375083.15583.9.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <4A6970CA.7090006@gmx.at> <4A69A4C1.1010408@gmx.at> <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E3034461C8@mucmail3.sdm.de> <1248460671.6223.58.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E30314529D@mucmail3.sdm.de> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248509253 22175 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2009 08:07:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 25 10:07:24 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MUcHn-0007XP-Cm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:07:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43607 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MUcHm-0005U0-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:07:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MUcHg-0005Tv-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MUcHb-0005TP-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38300 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MUcHb-0005TM-0j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:53629) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MUcHS-0000DO-Jm; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MUcHR-0004cd-Sb; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.150.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.150] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1MUcHG-0003py-JX; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:06:46 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BC35FDF6F; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:06:45 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E30314529D@mucmail3.sdm.de> (klaus berndl's message of "Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:16:12 +0200") Original-Lines: 17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113124 Archived-At: writes: > But i'm convinced that we need a concept between the "a window system > window is exactly one frame" and an emacs-window... otherwise > writing something like ECB without heavily advicing Emacs is quite > impossible That's not true -- it's quite possible to simply modify the behavior of Emacs internal windows appropriately. Personally I think Tom's framelets seem too complex, and at the same time overly limited in functionality. -Miles -- Next to fried food, the South has suffered most from oratory. -- Walter Hines Page