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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bzr repository ready?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:17:21 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874ooodksu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837htkoxy8.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:

 > > Besides, using a shared repository is just a disk&time saving trick, it
 > > doesn't affect the workflow otherwise.

N.B.  This is false, even today.  Bazaar now supports commands for
interrogating the shared repository.  The most important in daily use
is "branches", which lists the branches currently available from that
repository.

 > So when to use a shared repository and when not?

(Core) Emacs developers will always want to use a shared repository.
The penalty for using one for even a single branch is very small; as
soon as you have more than one, time and disk savings build rapidly.

The *only* times one wants to *avoid* use of a shared repository are
(1) for casually browsing the source and related contributions (eg, you
    occasionally have one-line fixes), you plan to send patches to
    the developers for them, and you expect *never* to participate
    actively in project development;
(2) when the project wishes to *enforce* a centralized workflow on the
    developers.

Many important enhancements to bzr (like the "pipeline" add-on, which
helps to manage a "stack" of patches, like Andrew Morton's famous
"quilt" script) depend on "cheap branching", which shared repositories
provide.  I'm not going to go into details here, because you may not
ever need those (and there are often alternatives), but having the
shared repository available from the start makes life much more
pleasant in many such scenarios.





  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-21 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 346+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-04 12:42 Moving to bzr? dhruva
2009-01-04 13:35 ` Christian Faulhammer
2009-01-04 13:50 ` David Reitter
2009-01-04 15:41 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-04 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  3:50   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05  4:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-05  5:49       ` dhruva
2009-01-05  6:35       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 22:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-05 23:37           ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-06 12:30             ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-06 13:14               ` Paul R
2009-01-06 14:32               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-01-06 14:51                 ` Will Farrington
2009-01-06  4:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-06 20:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-06 20:38               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-06 22:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 22:58                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  0:53                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07  3:43                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  3:50                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-07  8:31                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 11:47                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07 12:00                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-07 12:23                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-06 23:00                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-07  0:56                       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <87zli4jcc4.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-07  3:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                       ` <87vdsrjcco.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>
2009-01-09  1:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-18 22:56                           ` bzr repository ready? (was: Moving to bzr?) Karl Fogel
     [not found]                             ` <87eiyy3lag.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-21  5:11                               ` bzr repository ready? Karl Fogel
2009-01-21  9:32                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-22  5:59                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                 ` <874ozs34c6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-22  6:15                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-22  8:24                                     ` dhruva
2009-01-22 14:34                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 17:00                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-24  4:21                                         ` dhruva
2009-01-24 12:07                                           ` [Savannah-help-public] " Sylvain Beucler
2009-10-14  0:49                                         ` Daniel Clemente
2009-10-14  3:00                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-24 19:38                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-10-24 23:57                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-10-30 23:38                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-09 16:53                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-09 23:56                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-11 22:45                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-11 23:06                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12  2:34                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12  4:16                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12  4:35                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12  4:40                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 15:21                                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-12 15:39                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 17:37                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 18:01                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 20:11                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 23:37                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  0:14                                                                           ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  9:38                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 10:35                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 13:36                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  0:13                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-13  1:12                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-13 14:33                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 14:47                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13 15:08                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 17:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-14 10:45                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-14 14:54                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-14 20:11                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 18:19                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 12:01                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 15:03                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-12 18:14                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 13:55                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-12 18:31                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 20:18                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 20:57                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-12 22:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-12 22:51                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-13  9:42                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-13 11:11                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-18 22:29                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-18 23:08                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-19  3:56                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-18 23:09                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-11-19  5:31                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:34                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:22                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 19:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 20:39                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-20 21:20                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-20 22:46                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  5:05                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  5:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21  6:59                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 20:08                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 23:58                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  5:58                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  6:41                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 15:47                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 16:58                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:24                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-29 20:52                                                                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  6:18                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-30  6:23                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:37                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:17                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-11-21 17:17                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:18                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 17:08                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:32                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 12:12                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 22:49                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21  0:53                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 12:31                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:45                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:29                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 20:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 21:28                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 22:51                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  4:19                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  0:54                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22  4:25                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22  6:11                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  6:53                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-22 14:45                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:28                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:19                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 21:02                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25 22:19                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  6:23                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-26  8:34                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 16:30                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-27 16:52                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 17:18                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-28  3:09                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27 19:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27 19:22                                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-28  6:45                                                                                                                               ` tomas
2009-11-28  9:57                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-28 16:49                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <E1NDXkp-0007Qr-VK@fencepost.gnu.org>
2009-11-26  7:09                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-25 22:26                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25 23:14                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-25 23:58                                                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-26  1:31                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26  1:07                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:35                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  8:17                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  6:36                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-27  9:14                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-27  9:21                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-27 13:44                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-28  3:10                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-28  6:50                                                                                                                       ` tomas
2009-11-28  7:06                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  1:16                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-29  4:06                                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-29  5:39                                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-29  4:18                                                                                                                             ` 
2009-11-30 15:52                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-30 16:31                                                                                                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-30  2:10                                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-01  4:10                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-01  6:39                                                                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-05  6:50                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-05 17:44                                                                                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  3:09                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 20:38                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 22:22                                                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  1:46                                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 22:36                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  3:17                                                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22  5:13                                                                                                 ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22  7:19                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 20:32                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-22 21:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:15                                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-22  9:45                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 13:08                                                                                                     ` tomas
2009-11-22 23:43                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  4:39                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  0:05                                                                                                     ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23  6:44                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:30                                                                                                         ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 23:41                                                                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  0:01                                                                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-24  1:19                                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-24  2:04                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 23:41                                                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-25  5:28                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:41                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21  4:39                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-21 12:14                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-22 23:23                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-21 12:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 14:40                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 16:27                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 18:13                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 18:26                                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-22  1:00                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-22 21:06                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-20 21:56                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-20 22:47                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 22:51                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 22:52                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-21  5:12                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-21  4:38                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-21 10:43                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 16:10                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-21 19:32                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:58                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-22 20:55                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 21:29                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  2:33                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-22 22:59                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  2:45                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  3:20                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:34                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 19:38                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-21 19:01                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2009-11-22 23:41                                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23  0:00                                                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  4:36                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23  5:11                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23  5:50                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23  7:35                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 14:39                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 15:17                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-23 16:45                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:06                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 19:36                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 22:59                                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-24  1:14                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24 22:47                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25  8:55                                                                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 10:32                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 17:48                                                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-25 18:22                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 19:26                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 20:01                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25 18:53                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-24  4:20                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  1:33                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24  7:28                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24  9:35                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 11:04                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-24 11:54                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-24 14:58                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-25  5:39                                                                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-25 21:01                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24  2:56                                                                                           ` Making the tarball with bzr data (was: bzr repository ready?) Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 16:34                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-30 18:46                                                                                               ` Making the tarball with bzr data Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-30 18:52                                                                                               ` Jason Earl
2009-11-23 12:11                                                                                       ` bzr repository ready? Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 14:28                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 18:52                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 12:07                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-19  0:49                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-19  5:02                                                                       ` Ken Raeburn
2009-11-19  6:38                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-20 13:23                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-20 19:33                                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-23 17:56                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                       ` <874ozp4ld3.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-28 21:24                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29  9:30                                           ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-29 18:19                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-29 18:50                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-29 20:18                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30  9:06                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-30 15:50                                                     ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                           ` <87y6wvhxrk.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <8763jwg1j8.fsf@red-bean.com>
2009-01-30 19:38                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-30 20:01                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-30 20:24                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-31  1:03                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-31  5:02                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-31  8:59                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 17:28                                                         ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-04 20:48                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-02-04 22:49                                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-02-06 20:19                                                               ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                                                 ` <87k583nnxc.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-02-07  3:42                                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-23 14:53                                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                           ` <871vrj8ew5.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-24  0:31                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 16:11                                           ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 16:33                                             ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-28 17:29                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-28 17:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:11                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 18:30                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-28 19:31                                               ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  1:07                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-04-29  7:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-29 14:30                                                   ` Karl Fogel
     [not found]                                               ` <87fxfsr1md.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-04-28 21:56                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2009-04-29  7:08                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-04-28 23:47                                             ` Jason Rumney
2009-04-29  1:27                                               ` Samuel Bronson
2009-04-30 19:39                                             ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-21 23:33                       ` Moving to bzr? John Yates
2009-01-22  1:57                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-22 15:40                           ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-13 18:58       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-01-05  9:48     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 11:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-01-05 14:52         ` Karl Fogel
2009-01-05 11:39       ` dhruva
2009-01-05 12:14         ` Nick Roberts
2009-01-05 12:26           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-05 12:34           ` dhruva
     [not found]         ` <87wsd9tqt6.fsf@notengoamigos.org>
2009-01-06  3:29           ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:07             ` dhruva
2009-01-06  6:21               ` 马旋(SuperMMX)
2009-01-06 11:42             ` Daniel Clemente
2009-01-04 18:09 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-09  9:31   ` Miles Bader
2009-01-09 10:35     ` dhruva
2009-01-09 20:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-09 20:26         ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-01-10  9:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10  2:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  3:06           ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-10  9:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-10 20:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-10  9:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04 21:41 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-22 23:30 bzr repository ready? Karl Fogel
2009-11-22 23:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23  6:06   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23  7:42     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-23 17:19     ` Karl Fogel
2009-11-23 18:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-23 19:35         ` Karl Fogel

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