From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: <874oolarvt.fsf__14279.6623440974$1259011453$gmane$org@stupidchicken.com> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <87y6lxdvnl.fsf@mandingo.thematica.it> <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259011453 17230 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 21:24:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Per =?UTF-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Giuseppe Scrivano Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 22:24:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCgOD-00032n-G1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:24:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52836 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgOD-0000n6-0e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg8B-00022r-SH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg86-000200-Hy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58056 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg86-0001zh-5n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:37941) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCg85-0007qj-At for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nANL7Lr9022250; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:07:22 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nANKt4jV020479; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:55:04 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:55:04 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.125900937419978 (code B ref 1305); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Nov 2009 20:49:34 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.94]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nANKnWB0019969 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:49:34 -0800 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014119.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nANKnQKr018466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:27 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27453C071; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:47:22 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32861 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: >>> * beeping is often disturbing and unexpected, in particular for >>> scrolling past the beginning or end of the >>> buffer with the scroll wheel. (I agree. That's hardly an error.) >> >> yes, I agree with you, beeping is often disturbing. You can disable it, >> changing the value of visible-bell to t: > This is bug#1305. That discussion never came to a conclusion. One complication, now that I recall, is that we really do want to signal an error for beginning-of-buffer and end-of-buffer, so that keyboard macros will terminate. The problem is that we have no mechanism for telling Emacs not to ring the bell for certain classes of errors. But I'm not sure Emacs should even be in the bell-ringing business, anyway; it's a barbaric practice, and an echo-area message IMHO suffices.