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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:52:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874om3g8zt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9de1a5ef1001300234l53e241bav649e127ea69ff80e@mail.gmail.com

Fabian Ezequiel Gallina <galli.87@gmail.com> writes:

> 2010/1/29 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
>>
>> So, yes, it's probably fairly easy to do an Emacs-like editor using
>> another extension language etc... and the result is likely to be
>> cleaner, more efficient, better maintained code in many ways.
>> Actually such Emacs-like editors exist, using extension languages
>> like CommonLisp, OCaml, Haskell, Python, younameit.
>>
>> The problem is that they're not Emacs, so they start with a small
>> user community and it's hard for them to grow.  At some point, I've
>> considered the possibility to switch to one of those (where the
>> extension language is statically typed ;-), but ... they didn't have
>> PCL-CVS, diff-mode, Gnus, ... so it was really an uphill battle.
>> Maybe later.
>
> I think Emacs Lisp is a great extension language.

I don't think so.  It is a functional language used in a procedural
style, causing permanent changes as its ultimate purpose.  Not even with
lexical bindings.

It does automatic allocation and garbage collection, is concise and with
data structures catered to the task at hand.  Mostly.

If it were a great extension language, it would be in use outside of
Emacs.

Things like Lua would meet the bill quite better, but they are too late
in the game now.

Emacs is not a program, it is an ecosystem.  And ecosystems play by
different rules than individuals.  Emacs has not yet reached
equilibrium, the state where bit rot destroys functionality at the same
pace as new stuff gets added.

Moving that ecosystem to a different language is about as ambitious as
moving a carbon-based ecosystem to silicon-based.

You don't know where to start.

-- 
David Kastrup





  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-30 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-28  0:19 redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-01-28  4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28  9:07   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 11:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 11:47       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 12:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 12:53           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 14:10             ` Miles Bader
2010-01-28 15:04               ` alin.s
2010-01-28 22:34               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:04               ` Paul R
2010-01-29 10:17                 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 10:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:30                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:18                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 11:03                     ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 11:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:10                         ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 10:48                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 11:01                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 18:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 11:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 13:06                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 13:10                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:28                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-29 18:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 18:56                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 11:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:51                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 15:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:21                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 21:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2010-01-31 12:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-29 19:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30 18:39                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 10:34                       ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-01-30 10:52                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-01-30 21:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 13:07                   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-28  5:10 ` Ken Hori
2010-01-28 12:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-28 13:41   ` alin.s
2010-01-28 14:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-12  8:31 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:10   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-12 13:41     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:49   ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 13:30     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:25       ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 14:37         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:53         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 15:11           ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 15:31             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-12 15:55               ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 16:53               ` alin.s
2010-02-12 18:55                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-14 19:13                   ` alin.s
2010-02-17 13:14                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-02-23  0:45                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-02-23  3:01                         ` David Reitter
2010-02-23  3:34                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-02-23 14:31                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-05 22:53                         ` Concurrency (was: redisplay system of emacs) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05 22:57                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-03-11 14:18                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-25 16:49                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-26 17:10                             ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 19:37                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-27  3:00                                 ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-27 13:33                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 18:18                                     ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 19:40                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 20:03                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 20:25                                       ` Concurrency Davis Herring
2010-03-28 20:54                                         ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 23:18                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 10:04                                             ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 15:37                                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:16                                                 ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:36                                                   ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 17:41                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:33                                                 ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 16:58                                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:46                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 17:37                                                 ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 18:21                                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 21:19                                         ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:22                                         ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-28 23:20                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29  2:18                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:17                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:25                                         ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 16:49                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:39                                             ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 17:13                                         ` gsoc for concurrent Emacs? (was: Concurrency) Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-01  9:45                                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:04                                     ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:25                                     ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-29  2:20                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-02-14 19:25                   ` redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-02-16 16:40                 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-16 19:20                   ` grischka
2010-02-16 19:55                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-02-17 13:56                       ` alin.s
2010-02-16 20:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-16 20:56                       ` grischka
2010-02-17  4:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-29 19:48 grischka
2010-01-30  5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30  9:53   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:01     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:08       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:54         ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:52           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:24       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 12:53       ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30  9:57   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:11   ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:26     ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30 13:42       ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 13:49       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-30 13:54       ` Paul R
2010-01-30 15:15         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 15:07       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-31 12:41     ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 16:36       ` grischka
2010-02-01 21:06         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02  3:32           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-02 21:21             ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:42               ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03  0:24                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03  6:45                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 14:15                   ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 14:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2010-02-04 11:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03  2:48               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 12:19                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-04 11:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:06                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-05 12:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 18:37                         ` grischka
2010-02-03 13:34                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 17:26                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 17:45                     ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 18:35                     ` grischka
2010-02-03 18:36                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-02-03 19:03                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03 20:31                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-03 20:37                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-04  8:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 23:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05  5:46                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 11:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:38                       ` David Kastrup
2010-02-05 19:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 12:28                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull

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