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Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:46:24 +0900 Message-ID: <874olw2q1b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> <87pr4m2ptm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r5p29nfr.fsf@telefonica.net> <87k4ut2yuh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265365956 17133 80.91.229.12 (5 Feb 2010 10:32:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 11:32:32 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NdLTi-00032G-Vl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:31:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdGrC-0003NX-KZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NdGqS-0002eA-0n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53674 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdGqQ-0002bx-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdGqN-000051-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:54339) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdGqN-0008WF-8s; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:35:03 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E34821E; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:35:00 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AC6B71A343B; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:46:24 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120930 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Yes. There is list on the FSF's web site, but it was chosen for > political correctness and some of it is trash, > > Name calling like this says more about your hostility than about us. Ad hominem attacks say more about you than they do about me. There are people here searching for truth, and such usage is only going to offend them and make them distrust you on this subject. I imagine my many "fans" will be quite amused at you taking me down this way, but is it really worth it? Having said that, I am indeed in error. Going back for confirmation, I could not find the list I referred to. The article, indirectly linked from www.fsf.org, at http://endsoftpatents.org/resources-for-economists is in fact balanced, citing well-done research on both sides of the aisle. The page itself is well-written and presents a very difficult but crucial issue (the "null-result bias" of statistical practice) quite clearly, though with a slight amount of exaggeration (most harmless). The fact that it comes to the conclusion that patents are bad is neither surprising nor evidence of bias; it's quite reasonable based on the works cited, which are well-known in the field. However, it is quite limited, though it would be a reasonable starting point for a study of patent economics. It is very much focused on patents, refers mostly to resources which are either in print or probably electronically available only with a subscription, and doesn't really present a starting point for the study the OP seems interested in. The list of third-party resources at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/third-party-ideas.html is less balanced, but describes itself as a list of opinions. This is not problematic, either, but the OP probably will find nothing that really addresses his question. I do not know where the much more extensive list I recall went. It linked or cited a number of articles based on anecdotes of people whose works were suppressed by the copyright or patent laws which lacked generalizable analysis, as well as the extremely controversial and flawed theoretical analysis by Boldrin and Levine (a representative selection is _Perfectly Competitive Innovation_ , although I'm not sure that was the work cited in the FSF's list). Maybe it was an earlier version of resources-for-economists that was hosted on www.fsf.org. In any case, as far as I can tell that list no longer exists on an FSF-related site. I apologize for the misinformation, and thank you (as a representative of the FSF) for "taking out the trash". Sincerely yours,