From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <874oh9jwqw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276277895 4411 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2010 17:38:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 11 19:38:14 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON8BJ-0001OF-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:38:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44708 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON8BI-0005AZ-OP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39625 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ON8B8-00057u-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON8B6-0007S9-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po16.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.72]:37668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ON8B6-0007Ro-QE; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:38:00 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014175.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po16.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o5BHbxVr013508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B7A38C013; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:37:59 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (James Cloos's message of "Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:29:31 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125756 Archived-At: James Cloos writes: > In gedit C-f and C-b move forward and backward logically, whereas LEFT > and RIGHT move left and right visually. I suspect that all =CF=80=CE=B1= =CE=BD=E8=AA=9E (aka > pango) apps -- notably including most gtk/gnome apps -- will also do so. > > In seamonkey, in a web-page's text input box, both the arrow keys and > the C-b and C-f keys move visually. > > In gvim, both the h and l keys and the arrow keys move visually. > > In Openoffice.org, the arrow keys move logically. Well, this sample indicates a complete lack of consensus, contra Eli's earlier statement that >>> this is what users of bidirectional scripts expect -- they are used >>> to it in every other bidi-aware application out there. One possibility is that editors intended specifically for bidi, such as native-language Hebrew or Arabic apps, have a convention that vim, gedit, etc have not taken up. So, could anyone who has experience with such apps speak up?