From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:11:45 +0300 Message-ID: <874ofzl2ji.fsf@mithlond.arda> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87mxtr8i6l.fsf@telefonica.net> <201007161927.31648.tassilo@member.fsf.org> <87iq4f8gyh.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279303930 30534 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 18:12:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 20:12:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpOJ-0008HG-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:12:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60278 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZpOI-0000qU-RG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47593 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZpOA-0000p7-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:11:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpO9-0007RA-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:11:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mta-out.inet.fi ([195.156.147.13]:58491 helo=jenni1.inet.fi) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpO8-0007PM-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:11:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mithlond.arda (84.251.132.215) by jenni1.inet.fi (8.5.122) id 4C299CCA00965505; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:11:46 +0300 Original-Received: from dtw by mithlond.arda with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZpNy-000165-AF; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:11:46 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87iq4f8gyh.fsf@telefonica.net> (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22=D3scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:38:46 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127448 Archived-At: * 2010-07-16 19:38 (+0200), =D3scar Fuentes wrote: > Tassilo Horn writes: >> Similarly, C-k, C-y and M-y have clear mnemonics derived from the >> concepts of killing and yanking. > > Worrying about mnemonics for operations you do hundreds of times per > day is a waste. Exactly. Vi editor has very ergonomic movement and editing keys (and elegant operator+movement concept). Whether one's power editor of choice is Emacs or Vim the point is always ergonomics and muscle memory, not mnemonics-logical in simple f=3Dforward, b=3Dbackward level.