From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:59:25 +0900 Message-ID: <874oex8w0y.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4C652D3D.9060402@gmx.de> <19557.16238.796000.809537@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C65AA0B.6070404@gmx.de> <19558.14741.718000.682245@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281774918 7539 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 08:35:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 10:35:15 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkCCx-0003Ie-1U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:35:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38422 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkCCw-0002fX-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45285 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkCCm-0002eR-Ec for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkCCl-0000NF-Dp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:56852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkCCl-0000MQ-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3513C820F; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:01:29 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 82F971A46B1; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:59:25 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <19558.14741.718000.682245@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128667 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > The problem is that one of the eggs has the the Microsoft logo on > it, and people are afraid to break it. That's a silly and unproductive claim. Yidong has opposed even providing the option, but I don't understand his logic. Everybody else is in favor of providing the option. They're not afraid of breaking an egg labeled Microsoft, not even Yidong. It seems to be that the real development problem here is that we don't have a reviewable patch. Lennart wants to dump his whole branch on the mainline because he doesn't have time to sort things out. The core devs are uninterested in doing the reviewing of a whole branch with many features in it, some of them not particularly desirable it would seem. The solution is obvious: some third party with an interest in getting this feature into Emacs should 1. Check that Lennart wants to contribute it partially, and is willing to/already has signed papers for it. 2. Get Lennart's version, test that it does what the third party thinks it should do. 3. Dive into the source and tease out a diff that isolates that feature. 4. Submit the patch and push it through the process. If you get to 4, I bet Yidong will change his mind enough to at least review the patch. OTOH, if nobody wants to do that, the whole discussion is moot, isn't it?