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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnuvola.org>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Please don't use revision numbers on commit messages (and elsewhere).
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 10:38:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874o6iicxp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pqp6vn3p.fsf@wanadoo.es> ("Óscar Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 01 Apr 2011 02:20:26 +0200")

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() Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>
() Fri, 01 Apr 2011 02:20:26 +0200

   It is actually informative, although it makes difficult to pinpoint the
   mentioned revision or to answer the question "is the mentioned revision on
   branch X?" which is automatic when you have a revision id.

To dereference a DATE-TITLE pair to a VCS commit the VCS needs to be able to
grep for DATE or TITLE or both in its (internal) commit log representation.
It's an extra step, true, and might be difficult if the VCS is lame.  Likewise
for localizing the commit to a branch.

   A different issue is to convince people to write proper commit messages,
   with the first line acting as the commit title. But that is another
   battle.

All it takes is for the Emacs maintainers to promote the practice from IWBN to
required.  I think concurrent to such a move should be to publish tools to make
the ChangeLog(s) -> VCS commit message flow less balky.  FWIW, i attach some
sketches (that i find useful) here.


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Example flow:
(0) Munge source in file src/foo.c,
    related docs in file doc/foo.texi.

(1) C-x C-f src/ChangeLog RET
    C-c C-a TITLE RET
    foo.c (func): Change. RET RET
    C-x C-s
    C-x C-k RET

(2) C-x C-f doc/ChangeLog RET
    C-c C-a M-p RET
    foo.texi (functionality): Change. RET RET
    C-x C-s
    C-x C-k RET

(3) initiate commit sequence, specifying files:
      src/ChangeLog
      src/foo.c
      doc/ChangeLog
      doc/foo.texi
    => end up in buffer in Log Edit mode

(4) C-c C-d        ; git-scan-log-buffer-and-insert-commit-log
    tweak aesthetics (paragraph order, primarily)
    C-c C-c        ; log-edit-done
    C-c C-M-r      ; revert-some-buffers

This example assumes the details of each change fits in my head, which often
is not the case.  More typically, there is a series of ‘vc-diff’ invocations
prior to (1) and (2).  I sometimes (very rarely) interleave (0) and (1)/(2).
Anyway, the point is that (3) and (4) take little thought/effort to perform.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-01  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-31 20:47 Please don't use revision numbers on commit messages (and elsewhere) Óscar Fuentes
2011-03-31 21:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-31 21:53   ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-03-31 21:59     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-31 22:06       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-03-31 22:18         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-31 22:58       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-01  7:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01  7:58     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01  8:02       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01  8:17         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01  8:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01  8:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01 10:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 10:21                 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01 10:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 11:18                     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01 13:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 13:32                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-04-01 13:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 13:51                             ` Deniz Dogan
2011-04-01 15:26         ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 19:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 20:17             ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-03-31 23:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-01  0:11   ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01  0:28     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-01  1:20       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01  8:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 12:08           ` David Kastrup
2011-04-01 13:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 15:35           ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 19:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 20:04               ` David Kastrup
2011-04-01 20:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 20:43               ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 10:34         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-01 15:55           ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 21:53             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-04 16:32           ` Nils Ackermann
2011-04-04 21:27             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-04 21:36               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-04 21:49                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-04 22:03                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-04 22:09                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-04 22:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-04 22:35                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-05 21:00                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-04-05 21:00                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-04-06  1:30                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-06  2:55                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-06 12:47                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-04-01  1:59       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 10:00         ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-01 15:00           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 16:38             ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-01 18:08               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 18:56                 ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-01 20:49                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 10:45         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-01 14:51           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-01 15:14             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-01 19:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-04-02  2:12     ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-01  1:35   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01 10:39     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-31 23:16 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-04-01  0:20   ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01  8:38     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2011-04-01  9:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 10:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 17:38           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-04-01 15:38         ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 19:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 20:21             ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-01 20:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-01 21:40               ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-02  0:03                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-02  6:20                   ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-02 13:47                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-03  8:00                       ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-03 16:13                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-04-04  9:29                           ` Uday S Reddy
2011-04-05  2:20                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-02  2:57                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-01  0:55 ` Stefan Monnier

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