From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-buffer-alist simplifications Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:45:21 +0900 Message-ID: <874o26rgq6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87mxgem09k.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2A7EBD.7050300@gmx.at> <87livooqt6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2B158B.1080101@gmx.at> <87wrf8iyse.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2BEED2.5040608@gmx.at> <8739hvu6lh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2C50E6.3020103@gmx.at> <878vrnweju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2D34D7.4040002@gmx.at> <87r55cjvef.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sjpsnerd.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87d3gvqhkd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311839133 23172 80.91.229.12 (28 Jul 2011 07:45:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, rudalics@gmx.at, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 28 09:45:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QmLHc-0005PN-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:45:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49441 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmLHc-0007v6-7I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:45:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmLHZ-0007ux-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmLHY-0005N8-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:57848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmLHW-0005Lw-C0; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE303FA0727; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:45:14 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1FBEB1A26F8; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:45:22 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.1.93a under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" cd1f8c4e81cd XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142430 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:12:34 +0900 > > Cc: martin rudalics , Chong Yidong , > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > I just hate to see people arguing that code that's in a project > > should stay just because it's already in. That always has the > > effect of making it harder to conduct such experiments in the first > > place! > > A major surgery of one of the Emacs core functionalities, whose > development was encouraged by the head maintainers and whose merge > onto the trunk was explicitly sanctioned by them, is no longer an > ``experiment''. It was an experiment only as long as it was on a > separate branch. Now it's much more than that. I'm sorry you take it that way, but it should be clear from reviewing the context that the word "experiment" was not a description of the code itself at all! Use of a modern VCS makes experimenting with code very cheap, regardless of maintainer encouragement. Discouraging "unsanctioned" coding "experiments" is not what I'm talking about here. Rather, *merging onto the trunk* is always an experiment, ie, a test of the proposition that the code in its current form will improve Emacs for the community as a whole. There's no disrespect toward code *or* maintainers intended, just an acknowledgement of the fact that we don't know with certainty whether a particular merge will successfully improve the project until we try it.