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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Compiled files without sources????
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:14:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874o215l5b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 874o21pazd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> Tim Cross writes:
>
>  > I think it is far more likely the error was due to an honest error
>  > in understanding/interpretation of the licensing requirements
>  > rather than the somewhat malicious and deliberate interpretation
>  > you have suggested.
>
> No malice at all is implied, just a lack of due diligence.  Obviously
> there was an error in understanding the implications of the licensing
> requirements for what Emacs *should* do (though Emacs is in no way
> legally bound, of course).

The FSF, being the principal copyright holder of Emacs, is not bound to
the conditions of the GPL in a legal sense, but setting a bad example
like that is not going to increase the respect from others.

The FSF is bound to the conditions of the copyright assignment contracts
from various contributors, however.  While they are free to pick a
number of free licensing arrangements for Emacs code not restricted to
the GPL, they are not free to distribute generated code without source.

People refusing to license under a GPLv$$+ scheme or assign their
copyright to the FSF because either would be tantamount to a blank
cheque and the FSF could turn bad, tend to forget that the FSF has
entered into legally binding agreements as well.  Even if the FSF became
a subsidiary of the Gates foundation tomorrow, nothing really bad could
happen to the software for which the FSF signed contracts.

So "Emacs" (which is not a sentient entity yet) is certainly not just
morally, but also legally bound to providing corresponding source code
to its binaries.

> Deliberate, yes.  In http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/115057
> Chong Yidong writes: "I think it's better for us to merge just the
> generated Lisp grammar files, leaving the grammar development for
> upstream.  It's an awful lot of infrastructure to pull in...."  IMO,
> "just the generated files" should be a red flag for any maintainer
> working with copyleft licensing.

Well, you have the advantage of long years of training looking for such
pitfalls as project/release manager of XEmacs.  Emacs has had less
reason or opportunity to try staying under the radar and/or out of reach
of Richard.  Perhaps you should offer courses.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-01 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-10  5:34 Emacs 23.3 released Chong Yidong
2011-03-10  8:58 ` Bastien
2011-03-10 16:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:22   ` David Kastrup
2011-03-10 16:54     ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-10 17:54       ` David Kastrup
2011-03-10 18:00         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-10 19:17           ` State of the CEDET merge (was: Emacs 23.3 released) David Engster
2011-03-11 14:29             ` State of the CEDET merge Lluís
2011-03-11 14:45               ` David Kastrup
2011-03-11 15:48                 ` Lluís
2011-03-12  9:42                   ` David Kastrup
2011-03-12 13:15                     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2011-03-12 20:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-13 14:13                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-14 19:55                           ` Lluís
2011-03-14 20:39                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-03-14 22:28                               ` Lluís
2011-03-13 15:13                   ` David Engster
2011-03-14 20:08                     ` Lluís
2011-03-15  1:33                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 14:03                         ` Lluís
2011-03-16 15:24                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 15:30                             ` David Kastrup
2011-03-16 20:23                               ` Lluís
2011-03-18 17:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18 17:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-24  8:14                     ` David Kastrup
2011-07-24 10:01                       ` David Engster
2011-07-24 13:11                         ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27  2:46                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-27  6:25                           ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27  7:21                             ` David Engster
2011-07-27  7:39                               ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27  8:06                                 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-07-27  8:24                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-07-27 16:14                                 ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-07-27 17:57                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-07-28  5:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-28 10:02                                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-07-28 23:00                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-28 23:28                                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-07-29 14:32                                             ` Milan
2011-07-29 22:33                                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30  2:12                                               ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30  4:36                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30 20:33                                                   ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-30 23:20                                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-07-31  4:46                                                       ` Tim Cross
2011-07-31 11:03                                                         ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 13:29                                                           ` Tim Cross
2011-07-31 17:45                                                             ` Andreas Röhler
2011-07-31 17:55                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-31 18:06                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-31 20:06                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-31 21:47                                                                   ` David Engster
2011-07-31 22:36                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 23:15                                                                       ` David Engster
2011-08-01  0:14                                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 23:10                                                                   ` Tim Cross
2011-08-01 12:33                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-01 13:14                                                                       ` David Kastrup [this message]
2011-08-01 14:37                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-01 14:42                                                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-08-02  0:13                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-02  7:10                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2011-08-03  4:17                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-02  0:13                                                                       ` Letting the users off the hook Richard Stallman
2011-08-03  4:16                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-03  6:50                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-03 19:18                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 23:56                                                                   ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 16:19                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-31 17:04                                                       ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 23:56                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-01  3:08                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-01 21:28                                                             ` Replacing tarballs on-the-fly (was: Re: Compiled files without sources????) Ulrich Mueller
2011-08-02 16:09                                                               ` Replacing tarballs on-the-fly Chong Yidong
2011-08-02 17:43                                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2011-08-03  4:17                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-03 20:31                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-02  0:13                                                             ` Compiled files without sources???? Richard Stallman
2011-08-02 15:56                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-03  4:16                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30  4:35                                               ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-29 16:25                                   ` Evgeny M. Zubok
2011-07-29 16:37                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-07-29 23:40                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-30 12:56                                       ` Evgeny M. Zubok
2011-07-30 13:25                                         ` David Kastrup
2011-07-30 20:55                                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-07-31 16:19                                           ` Richard Stallman
2011-03-10 16:45   ` Emacs 23.3 released Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-11  4:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11  4:42       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-11  9:44       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-11 20:18         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11 23:03           ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-12  0:03             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-12  1:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 19:21   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-03-11  4:20     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-11  7:14       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-03-12  3:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-12 12:23           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-14 14:10             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-14 14:52               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-14 15:51                 ` Lexbind (was: Emacs 23.3 released) Stefan Monnier
2011-03-17  1:59                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 10:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 12:22                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 15:13                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 16:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 18:06                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 19:24                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 19:46                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-19  0:54                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-19  8:35                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-19  9:28                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-17 20:01                     ` Lexbind Stefan Monnier
2011-03-17 22:07                       ` Lexbind Wojciech Meyer
2011-03-17 23:29                       ` Lexbind Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-18  7:39                         ` Lexbind joakim
2011-03-10 19:27   ` Emacs 23.3 released Mike Mattie
2011-03-10 19:56   ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-11  8:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-11 16:56     ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-11 20:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 18:57 ` Chong Yidong
2011-03-12  9:28   ` updating web manuals [Re: " Jim Meyering

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