From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thierry Volpiatto Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abolishing ChangeLog files Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:59:27 +0100 Organization: Emacs Helm Message-ID: <874nfv7n1c.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87y5d9p5td.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> <87vc8dtbcb.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871ub1gmdf.fsf@engster.org> <87d2ulovd0.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> <85r4j0h1ww.fsf@member.fsf.org> <85li98h1qx.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87ehf0b3x2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87obe3gaem.fsf@engster.org> <87ip4bj1ay.fsf_-_@earth.home> <20130328114414.GA3575@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364471996 2168 80.91.229.3 (28 Mar 2013 11:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:59:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 28 13:00:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBV4-0001XG-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:00:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57122 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBUg-0003aG-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:59:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49509) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBUc-0003Zr-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:59:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBUb-0005s6-0j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54217) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBUa-0005rm-QL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:59:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBUv-0000re-MN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:00:01 +0100 Original-Received: from lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net ([78.243.104.167]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:00:01 +0100 Original-Received: from thierry.volpiatto by lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:00:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 43 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lbe83-2-78-243-104-167.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JHnOsKrXYhwnF2hwV+6OLHkRn1E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158352 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Christopher. > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 09:55:29AM +0000, Christopher Schmidt wrote: >> David Engster writes: >> > The most time consuming thing is fixing ChangeLogs (we don't have any >> > in CEDET and generate them from commit logs). > >> I would like to suggest another change - how about removing ChangeLog >> files from the development repository. I think these files are >> redundant to the commit log of the vc. > >> Removing the files from the repository would clean diffs and reduce >> merge conflicts. Considering distributed vc, a project's history cannot >> be thought of as to be list of consecutive increments. > >> Distributions of Emacs could include ChangeLog files generated from the >> vc commit log, of course. > > Of course? Generating the (structured) ChangeLog from (free form) log > entrys isn't trivial. > >> Do I make sense? Are there any drawbacks? > > Yes. ChangeLog files are useful, e.g. for hunting down changes. I do > this often enough that the lack of ChangeLogs would be inconvenient. I > don't doubt that it's possible to wring the necessary info out of bzr, > I've done it, but it's not pleasant. Because bzr log take ages to popup, I guess it is one reason you relay on changelog files. > Anyway, whilst the choice of DVCS is up in the air is not the time to be > debating this question, IMAO. >> Christopher -- Thierry Get my Gnupg key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 59F29997