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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158525 Archived-At: Jambunathan K writes: > I have no intention of cancelling my copyright assignment for Emacs > (unilaterally from my side). That's news. > I have no doubts that my patches are useful to me and also a broad > audience. > > I think it is only right that a developer request that some of his work > be excluded from assignment with prior notice to copyright clerk. Emacs > is a suite. The intention of future assignment is merely a logistical > convenience. > > Personally, I don't want to support Org-mode developement under the > maintainership of Bastien Guerry. The fact that I am doing pro-bono > work doesn't mean that I give others the right to step on me like "a > door mat". I don't think I or anyone else is disputing your right to cancel your assignment. However, your words created the perception that you were attempting to inconvenience Emacs by slowing Org's integration into the next Emacs release--neither cancelling nor not cancelling, but simply creating a miasma of FUD around your code. You've now clarified that you are no longer doing this, which is a relief. As bkuhn indicated in the post you linked, you have the right to cancel your assignment at any time. You also have the right not to work on Org ever again. You do not have the right to sit in the middle of the road to obstruct development because you don't like the maintainer. As Eli observed, the appropriate remedy for irreconcilable differences is to fork. Please do so if you wish; the Emacs community practically invented forking. > If I can make a proprietary version out of (prior) assigned work, then > saying "diff for Emacs" belong to Emacs seems a bit inconsistent. > So, a "diff for Emacs or the suite", in and of itself, is devoid of any > meaning without further qualification. I am not sure how the FSF wishes to play this, but in copyright terms, "[the default distribution of] Emacs" is a compilation of many works independently copyrightable. Compilations can get copyright protection as such, and the protection accorded to, e.g., a journal, or a volume of several monographs with different authors and one editor, is not "devoid of meaning." By Org's policies as a project, most of Org with the exception of contrib/ requires assignment in order to be included in the compilation. But you understand all this already, I expect, as your delaying tactics seem to have been based on a sophisticated knowledge of the harm and inconvenience you would be causing to Org users. > Btw, I didn't receive $1 or GNU stickers. Other contributors seem to > have received these "considerations". I would have loved to get these! If that would've prevented all this, then I'm really sorry it didn't happen. -- Regards, WGG