From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs and Lynx Browser Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 01:00:55 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <874ndsrniw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <87k3n0z4vj.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <20130516125414.GD14224@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> <87r4gwkvmo.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369437292 7819 80.91.229.3 (24 May 2013 23:14:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 23:14:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 01:14:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug1CG-0007vE-Uh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 01:14:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48967 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug1CG-0004l9-Ep for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2013 19:14:52 -0400 X-Received: by 10.180.76.174 with SMTP id l14mr563502wiw.5.1369436494477; Fri, 24 May 2013 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 88.191.116.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!h2no2751528wiw.1!news-out.google.com!fw11ni4716wic.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:G0ltWPTUim7t7iPegYFo4N6wamA= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:198773 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 May 2013 19:14:43 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:91039 Archived-At: florian@fsavigny.de (Florian v. Savigny) writes: > You probably mean the green-white one published by O'Reilly? Yes. > Interestingly, there are comparatively few Emacs books around, which > is surprising given the stellar respectability the program has > earned, and its versatility. (Compare that to the number of Perl > books around - it's striking, isn't it? It is *stupid*. When I applied to jobs as a programmer some time ago, I always got the same moronic question, from people who knew nothing of computers: "What programming languages do you know?" I tried to answer that all programming is the same; what matters is your command of *tools*. This never landed. And this imbalance in understanding is reflected in the book market. I've never seen a book on irssi, on zsh, on the man pages (groff etc.), and so on. But I've seen countless of "OO Programming in Java". I don't get it; probably there is some commercial thing behind it, as usual. But, instead of complaining, we should start writing ourselves... DIY. > The nice thing about the O'Reilly book is that it does a modest > amount of advertising Emacs. I still remember one thing they kept > mentioning: That it was integration that made Emacs so interesting. Yes, but they don't mention two things: Gnus, and rmail. They don't mention mail at all. That's such a huge part of everyday typing and they "disintegrate" it without a blink of the eye. Otherwise, the book is good, I agree. -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573