From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:33:44 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <874nbbg2br.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <075751cf-97a3-4d01-8fb1-4ffbc0180f3f@googlegroups.com> <878v0oxfdw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375220132 31330 80.91.229.3 (30 Jul 2013 21:35:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:35:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 30 23:35:32 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4HZs-0005j2-5V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:35:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40108 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4HZr-0002Gx-Nn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:35:31 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!rt.uk.eu.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:40lgI3qk87zsl11KLBLy+Cwl3os= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200302 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92569 Archived-At: Barry Margolin writes: > The very first program I wrote was a BASIC program that was just > a bunch of PRINT statements, to make some simple ASCII art (it > was the command insignia from ST:TOS). Was I not programming, > just because it was a simple, linear set of statements? I > "taught" the computer to do something it couldn't previously do. *Laughter*! Cool! I hope you still have that program. No, I think *that* was programming, for the reason you tell, but also because there were several statements, and collectively they form a program that does something. > I think that almost anything that tells the computer to perform > a set of operations can be considered programming. Well, at least if that is done non-interactively. If you use a program - a spreadsheet, or a paint program (do to pixel GFX), and you just use the features of that program - sum a column, draw a square, etc. - with the tools of that program - I don't consider that programming. I wrote some more on this, here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/53842/13136 -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573