* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-17 3:08 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs yynyygy
@ 2014-06-17 15:28 ` Jan Djärv
2014-06-18 4:44 ` Fangwen Yu
2014-06-22 20:54 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified " Jan Djärv
2019-09-26 14:10 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified " Stefan Kangas
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2014-06-17 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: yynyygy; +Cc: 17792
Hello.
17 jun 2014 kl. 05:08 skrev yynyygy@gmail.com:
> I've noticed font rendering differences between Emacs and other gtk
> applications like gedit. In short, Emacs ignores hintstyle setting in
> fontconfig. I have hintstyle set to hintslight in
> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf, but I have to add 'Xft.hintstyle:
> hintslight' in Xresources to get the desired effect.
>
> The strange thing is that while ignoring hintstyle setting, Emacs still
> respect part of fontconfig settings, for example, anti-aliasing setting
> in fonts.conf will affect Emacs's font rendering.
>
Hint setting is newer than the rest so it is possible your Emacs was compiled against a fontconfig that don't have it.
Another possibility is that you have GSettings or GConf settings that are different than fonts.conf or from the X resources.
Emacs by itself does not read fonts.conf or apply X resources, it is all done by fontconfig/Xft-libraries. Emacs do apply GSettings and/or GConf settings.
Jan D.
> To be more precise, if I disable anti-aliasing in fonts.conf and enable
> it in Xresources, Emacs will not have anti-aliasing; if I have
> hintslight in fonts.conf and hintnone in Xresources, Emacs will use
> hintnone.
>
> I have tested with DejaVu Sans Mono 12 and Ubuntu Mono 13, but clearly
> it is not the fonts' problem.
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8)
> of 2014-06-11 on gentoo
> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11500000
> System Description: NAME=Gentoo
>
> Configured using:
> `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
> '--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man'
> '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc'
> '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--libdir=/usr/lib64'
> '--disable-silent-rules' '--disable-dependency-tracking'
> '--program-suffix=-emacs-24' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-24'
> '--localstatedir=/var'
> '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
> '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.7.3/../../../../lib64'
> '--with-gameuser=games' '--without-compress-info' '--without-hesiod'
> '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus'
> '--without-gnutls' '--without-xml2' '--without-selinux'
> '--without-wide-int' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-ns'
> '--without-gconf' '--without-gsettings' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars'
> '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff'
> '--with-xpm' '--without-imagemagick' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf'
> '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk3'
> 'GENTOO_PACKAGE=app-editors/emacs-24.3-r6'
> 'build_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
> 'CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed'
> 'CPPFLAGS=''
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LC_COLLATE: C
> value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8
> value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
> value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=fcitx
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
> default enable-multibyte-characters: t
>
> Major mode: Lisp Interaction
>
> Minor modes in effect:
> tooltip-mode: t
> mouse-wheel-mode: t
> tool-bar-mode: t
> menu-bar-mode: t
> file-name-shadow-mode: t
> global-font-lock-mode: t
> font-lock-mode: t
> blink-cursor-mode: t
> auto-composition-mode: t
> auto-encryption-mode: t
> auto-compression-mode: t
> line-number-mode: t
> transient-mark-mode: t
>
> Recent input:
> M-x r e p o r <tab> <return> C-y <backspace> <backspace>
> M-x M-p <return>
>
> Recent messages:
> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
> current-kill: Kill ring is empty
> delete-backward-char: Text is read-only [2 times]
> Quit
>
> Load-path shadows:
> None found.
>
> Features:
> (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml
> easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231
> mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
> mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date china-util tooltip ediff-hook
> vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
> regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page
> menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock
> syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang
> vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek
> romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
> case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs
> button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5
> base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
> backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting
> font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs)
>
>
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-17 15:28 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2014-06-18 4:44 ` Fangwen Yu
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Fangwen Yu @ 2014-06-18 4:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: 17792
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Clearly the fontconfig version on my system understands hint setting. As I
have said, if I have hintnone in fonts.conf and hintslight in X
resources, Emacs will use hintslight and all other gtk applications like
gedit, gnome-terminal will use hintnone.
Since Emacs is also a gtk application, why doesn't it respect fontconfig
settings?
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> 17 jun 2014 kl. 05:08 skrev yynyygy@gmail.com:
>
> > I've noticed font rendering differences between Emacs and other gtk
> > applications like gedit. In short, Emacs ignores hintstyle setting in
> > fontconfig. I have hintstyle set to hintslight in
> > ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf, but I have to add 'Xft.hintstyle:
> > hintslight' in Xresources to get the desired effect.
> >
> > The strange thing is that while ignoring hintstyle setting, Emacs still
> > respect part of fontconfig settings, for example, anti-aliasing setting
> > in fonts.conf will affect Emacs's font rendering.
> >
>
> Hint setting is newer than the rest so it is possible your Emacs was
> compiled against a fontconfig that don't have it.
> Another possibility is that you have GSettings or GConf settings that are
> different than fonts.conf or from the X resources.
>
> Emacs by itself does not read fonts.conf or apply X resources, it is all
> done by fontconfig/Xft-libraries. Emacs do apply GSettings and/or GConf
> settings.
>
> Jan D.
>
>
> > To be more precise, if I disable anti-aliasing in fonts.conf and enable
> > it in Xresources, Emacs will not have anti-aliasing; if I have
> > hintslight in fonts.conf and hintnone in Xresources, Emacs will use
> > hintnone.
> >
> > I have tested with DejaVu Sans Mono 12 and Ubuntu Mono 13, but clearly
> > it is not the fonts' problem.
> >
> >
> > In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8)
> > of 2014-06-11 on gentoo
> > Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version
> 11.0.11500000
> > System Description: NAME=Gentoo
> >
> > Configured using:
> > `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
> > '--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man'
> > '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc'
> > '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--libdir=/usr/lib64'
> > '--disable-silent-rules' '--disable-dependency-tracking'
> > '--program-suffix=-emacs-24' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-24'
> > '--localstatedir=/var'
> > '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
> > '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.7.3/../../../../lib64'
> > '--with-gameuser=games' '--without-compress-info' '--without-hesiod'
> > '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus'
> > '--without-gnutls' '--without-xml2' '--without-selinux'
> > '--without-wide-int' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-ns'
> > '--without-gconf' '--without-gsettings' '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars'
> > '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff'
> > '--with-xpm' '--without-imagemagick' '--with-xft' '--without-libotf'
> > '--without-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk3'
> > 'GENTOO_PACKAGE=app-editors/emacs-24.3-r6'
> > 'build_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
> > 'CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed'
> > 'CPPFLAGS=''
> >
> > Important settings:
> > value of $LC_COLLATE: C
> > value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8
> > value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
> > value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=fcitx
> > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
> > default enable-multibyte-characters: t
> >
> > Major mode: Lisp Interaction
> >
> > Minor modes in effect:
> > tooltip-mode: t
> > mouse-wheel-mode: t
> > tool-bar-mode: t
> > menu-bar-mode: t
> > file-name-shadow-mode: t
> > global-font-lock-mode: t
> > font-lock-mode: t
> > blink-cursor-mode: t
> > auto-composition-mode: t
> > auto-encryption-mode: t
> > auto-compression-mode: t
> > line-number-mode: t
> > transient-mark-mode: t
> >
> > Recent input:
> > M-x r e p o r <tab> <return> C-y <backspace> <backspace>
> > M-x M-p <return>
> >
> > Recent messages:
> > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
> > current-kill: Kill ring is empty
> > delete-backward-char: Text is read-only [2 times]
> > Quit
> >
> > Load-path shadows:
> > None found.
> >
> > Features:
> > (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml
> > easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231
> > mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
> > mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date china-util tooltip ediff-hook
> > vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
> > regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page
> > menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock
> > syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang
> > vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek
> > romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
> > case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs
> > button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5
> > base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
> > backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting
> > font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs)
> >
> >
>
>
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-17 3:08 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs yynyygy
2014-06-17 15:28 ` Jan Djärv
@ 2014-06-22 20:54 ` Jan Djärv
2014-06-24 22:01 ` James Cloos
2019-09-26 14:10 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified " Stefan Kangas
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2014-06-22 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 17792
2014-06-18 06:44, Fangwen Yu skrev:
> Clearly the fontconfig version on my system understands hint setting. As I
> have said, if I have hintnone in fonts.conf and hintslight in X
> resources, Emacs will use hintslight and all other gtk applications like
> gedit, gnome-terminal will use hintnone.
It isn't about the fontconfig you have in the system when you run Emacs, it is about the fontconfig used to compile Emacs and libXft.
To repeat, Emacs only applies settings from GSettings, Xsettings and GConf.
fonts.conf and X resources are not read by any Emacs code, it is all done in library code.
So if you want to change something for Emacs, you must make sure it also gets changed in one of the places Emacs reads, which is not fonts.conf or X resources settings.
Gedit uses cairo, which in turn uses fontconfig and (possibly) libXft.
I don't know if cairo itself reads fonts.conf and/or X resources, but I suspect it does.
Emacs does not use cairo, so if there are differences, it is not surprising.
>
> Since Emacs is also a gtk application, why doesn't it respect fontconfig settings?
Emacs is not a Gtk+ application in any sense of the word, it just uses part of its widget set in one of its configurations. Emacs does not use rendering like Gtk+ programs do, it does not use the same configuration mechanisms either.
It also violates about every Gtk+ guideline for a good Gtk+ program...
Jan D.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se
> <mailto:jan.h.d@swipnet.se>> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> 17 jun 2014 kl. 05:08 skrev yynyygy@gmail.com <mailto:yynyygy@gmail.com>:
>
> > I've noticed font rendering differences between Emacs and other gtk
> > applications like gedit. In short, Emacs ignores hintstyle setting in
> > fontconfig. I have hintstyle set to hintslight in
> > ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf, but I have to add 'Xft.hintstyle:
> > hintslight' in Xresources to get the desired effect.
> >
> > The strange thing is that while ignoring hintstyle setting, Emacs still
> > respect part of fontconfig settings, for example, anti-aliasing setting
> > in fonts.conf will affect Emacs's font rendering.
> >
>
> Hint setting is newer than the rest so it is possible your Emacs was
> compiled against a fontconfig that don't have it.
> Another possibility is that you have GSettings or GConf settings that are
> different than fonts.conf or from the X resources.
>
> Emacs by itself does not read fonts.conf or apply X resources, it is all
> done by fontconfig/Xft-libraries. Emacs do apply GSettings and/or GConf
> settings.
>
> Jan D.
>
>
> > To be more precise, if I disable anti-aliasing in fonts.conf and enable
> > it in Xresources, Emacs will not have anti-aliasing; if I have
> > hintslight in fonts.conf and hintnone in Xresources, Emacs will use
> > hintnone.
> >
> > I have tested with DejaVu Sans Mono 12 and Ubuntu Mono 13, but clearly
> > it is not the fonts' problem.
> >
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-22 20:54 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified " Jan Djärv
@ 2014-06-24 22:01 ` James Cloos
2014-06-25 8:32 ` Jan Djärv
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: James Cloos @ 2014-06-24 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: 17792
>>>>> "JD" == Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
JD> I don't know if cairo itself reads fonts.conf and/or X resources,
JD> but I suspect it does.
No. It uses the fontconfig api.
This bug is a side effect of using xft to render fonts. LibXft has a
routine which edits the font pattern before passing on to libfontconfig;
it adds pattern elements for each of:
antialias autohint dpi embolden hinting hintstyle lcdfilter
maxglyphmemory maxunreffonts minspace render rgba scale
based on what it finds in the X Resources.
It always adds a pattern entry for each of those, with a default value
if it doesn't find an explicit X resource.
Fontconfig is written to allow applications to override the default
values specified in/via fonts.conf, on the reasonable theories that users
should be able to tell apps to override them, and that some applications
SHOULD avoid things like hinting, and therefore need a way to do that.
By forcing its own set of defaults, xft blocks any ability to set those
via the xml.
Fixing this will either require changing libxft to avoid adding pattern
elements for which explicit X Resources do not exist, or changing Emacs
to use fontconfig, freetype and XRENDER directly, rather than via xft.
Handa-san's original code supported an fc: prefix for fonts, which was
defined to do the above, but the xft: won out.
-JimC
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-24 22:01 ` James Cloos
@ 2014-06-25 8:32 ` Jan Djärv
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jan Djärv @ 2014-06-25 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Cloos; +Cc: 17792
Hello.
25 jun 2014 kl. 00:01 skrev James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>:
>>>>>> "JD" == Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:
>
> JD> I don't know if cairo itself reads fonts.conf and/or X resources,
> JD> but I suspect it does.
>
> No. It uses the fontconfig api.
Thanks for the clarification.
>
> This bug is a side effect of using xft to render fonts. LibXft has a
> routine which edits the font pattern before passing on to libfontconfig;
> it adds pattern elements for each of:
>
> antialias autohint dpi embolden hinting hintstyle lcdfilter
> maxglyphmemory maxunreffonts minspace render rgba scale
>
> based on what it finds in the X Resources.
>
> It always adds a pattern entry for each of those, with a default value
> if it doesn't find an explicit X resource.
>
> Fontconfig is written to allow applications to override the default
> values specified in/via fonts.conf, on the reasonable theories that users
> should be able to tell apps to override them, and that some applications
> SHOULD avoid things like hinting, and therefore need a way to do that.
>
> By forcing its own set of defaults, xft blocks any ability to set those
> via the xml.
>
> Fixing this will either require changing libxft to avoid adding pattern
> elements for which explicit X Resources do not exist, or changing Emacs
> to use fontconfig, freetype and XRENDER directly, rather than via xft.
>
> Handa-san's original code supported an fc: prefix for fonts, which was
> defined to do the above, but the xft: won out.
Emacs does have the ftx font backend that gets compiled if libXft is not present.
Unfortunately it seems a bit broken w.r.t. sizes (all fonts are too large), and also the Gtk+ code in Emacs assumes Xft. Both of these could be fixed, and we could offer both backends.
Ftx does not use XRENDER btw, so I suspect it might be a bit slow.
Another approach would be to add a draw method to the Ft backend. Currently it is just common code for Xft and ftx.
But it seems excessive to work around something that can be made to work anyway.
Jan D.
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2014-06-17 3:08 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs yynyygy
2014-06-17 15:28 ` Jan Djärv
2014-06-22 20:54 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle spewcified " Jan Djärv
@ 2019-09-26 14:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-12 18:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-09-26 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: yynyygy; +Cc: 17792
yynyygy@gmail.com writes:
> I've noticed font rendering differences between Emacs and other gtk
> applications like gedit. In short, Emacs ignores hintstyle setting in
> fontconfig. I have hintstyle set to hintslight in
> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf, but I have to add 'Xft.hintstyle:
> hintslight' in Xresources to get the desired effect.
>
> The strange thing is that while ignoring hintstyle setting, Emacs still
> respect part of fontconfig settings, for example, anti-aliasing setting
> in fonts.conf will affect Emacs's font rendering.
>
> To be more precise, if I disable anti-aliasing in fonts.conf and enable
> it in Xresources, Emacs will not have anti-aliasing; if I have
> hintslight in fonts.conf and hintnone in Xresources, Emacs will use
> hintnone.
>
> I have tested with DejaVu Sans Mono 12 and Ubuntu Mono 13, but clearly
> it is not the fonts' problem.
Is this still an issue now that harfbuzz is enabled by default on the
master branch?
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified via fontconfig is ignored by Emacs
2019-09-26 14:10 ` bug#17792: 24.3; hintstyle specified " Stefan Kangas
@ 2020-08-12 18:50 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2020-08-12 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: yynyygy; +Cc: 17792-done
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> yynyygy@gmail.com writes:
>
>> I've noticed font rendering differences between Emacs and other gtk
>> applications like gedit. In short, Emacs ignores hintstyle setting in
>> fontconfig. I have hintstyle set to hintslight in
>> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf, but I have to add 'Xft.hintstyle:
>> hintslight' in Xresources to get the desired effect.
>>
>> The strange thing is that while ignoring hintstyle setting, Emacs still
>> respect part of fontconfig settings, for example, anti-aliasing setting
>> in fonts.conf will affect Emacs's font rendering.
>>
>> To be more precise, if I disable anti-aliasing in fonts.conf and enable
>> it in Xresources, Emacs will not have anti-aliasing; if I have
>> hintslight in fonts.conf and hintnone in Xresources, Emacs will use
>> hintnone.
>>
>> I have tested with DejaVu Sans Mono 12 and Ubuntu Mono 13, but clearly
>> it is not the fonts' problem.
>
> Is this still an issue now that harfbuzz is enabled by default on the
> master branch?
More information was requested, but none was given within 45 weeks, so
I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the
bug report.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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