From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: viper-mode C-[ behavior change in Emacs 24.4 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 02:03:18 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <874mxr7qgp.fsf@debian.uxu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407197132 16805 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2014 00:05:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 00:05:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 05 02:05:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XESFm-0003Ik-Mf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 02:05:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XESFm-0007W9-4v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:05:22 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:BGOfsVMTyTAuv0YXwD/6htuqCMc= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206808 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99084 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: >> Question: "Non-released" software, I suppose that >> includes the emacs24 (or 24.3+1-4+b1) or GNU Emacs >> 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.12.2) of >> 2014-06-06 on barber, modified by Debian > > The current released version is 24.3. Yeah... so then it is a bug in "non-released" as well as released software? <:| > Perhaps the extra ".1" at the end represents a Debian > modification, I don't know. What I've heard, it is the "build number", so in terms of software, 24.3.1 should be identical to any other 24.3.x. But if it is identical, why build it again? I don't know. Perhaps if something else needs to be rebuilt and for some reason then Emacs has to be (or "is") rebuilt as well. >> because I have the same problem, as said. Do you >> have to get it from the stable Debian repositories >> for it to be "released"? > > Releases by distributions have nothing directly to do > with Emacs releases. Some distributions may keep old > version of Emacs "current" for years after they've > been superceded, others may use beta versions. The > current release is the one on ftp.gnu.org. Well, I think most people use their package managers as that is one of the huge advantages with (most distributions of) Linux. Debian has parallel sets of software depending on how cutting edge, or, at the other end, how stable the user desires the software to be. Some five years ago, I used the stable release until I had a problem with a piece of software that I couldn't solve. So I got the same software from the cutting edge branch, and the bug was gone. I have used that software set ever since and hasn't had a crash (or even a software failing) for years. So I don't think the experimental and unstable software is particularly "life on the edge", on the contrary. Anyway, so whatever Emacs you can get from your distro's repositories should be considered "released"? Sounds logical... -- underground experts united