From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to cite the Emacs and Calc manuals? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:09:36 +0100 Message-ID: <874msepk5r.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <87bnmnkpw4.fsf@debian.uxu> <87bnmmpv0t.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419865820 22386 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2014 15:10:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:10:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 29 16:10:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5bxS-0000qS-3v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33673 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5bxR-0002Vd-Az for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5bxB-0002U6-0j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:09:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5bx7-0000qb-Ks for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:09:52 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([150.254.78.50]:58862) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5bx7-0000qC-EQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:09:49 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119C9414A9 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:09:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KMfBjLyKy+DY for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:09:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88C89414A7 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:09:46 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 150.254.78.50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101755 Archived-At: On 2014-12-29, at 14:35, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> - what is the author? > > Usually the question is "who", but admittedly, the "what" is also an > interesting question in this case. Oops. My bad. And I like to think that my English is not bad... OTOH, given what Calc is, you're right: in this particular case, one might wonder /what/ Dave Gillespie is. =E2=80=9CAn alien=E2=80=9D is one= answer that comes to mind; personally, I like to think of him as of a robot, in Asimov's sense, so an entity who's been living (or maybe =E2=80=9Cfunctio= ning=E2=80=9D?) for a few thousand years, and working on Calc for the last five centuries or so (having predicted =E2=80=93 or been told by Hari Seldon =E2= =80=93 that at some point, RMS will write Emacs). ;-) >> It says on the first page: "This manual, also >> written (mostly) by Dave Gillespie [...]" - so is it "Dave Gillespie= " >> or "Dave Gillespie et al." or what? > > I think for Calc, "Dave Gillespie et al." would be fine, yes. Thanks. > For the Emacs manual, OTOH, the authorship is a lot more diluted. > I guess you could opt for "Richard Stallman et al." and there wouldn't > be too many objections. > >> - what is the year of publication? It says on the first page: >> "Copyright (C) 1990-1991, 2001-2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc." - >> so is it 2013? > > Pick the version Emacs whose manual you want to cite, then use the > release date of that version as the date of publication. I didn=E2=80=99t think of it =E2=80=93 good idea, thanks again! >> - what is the publisher? I guess FSF, but they don't have it in their >> dead trees web page shop. > > Yes, the publisher is the FSF, regardless if they only publish it > electronically. OK. >> - not to mention the place of publishing (usually it's the name of a >> city). > > You can probably leave this blank. If you really insist on choosing > a place, Boston would make some kind of sense. I don=E2=80=99t insist, I was just wondering. > Stefan Thanks a lot! --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University