From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: $EDITOR to open at file end? Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:39:18 +1100 Message-ID: <874mpu3f21.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20150308170959263276762@bob.proulx.com> <877fuqevaw.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <20150308231111705300644@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1425879593 4330 80.91.229.3 (9 Mar 2015 05:39:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 05:39:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 09 06:39:43 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YUqPn-00081r-03 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:39:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUqPm-0007zx-33 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:39:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53386) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUqPa-0007zh-E8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:39:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUqPX-0000o1-69 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:39:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]:37989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUqPW-0000nv-Tw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:39:27 -0400 Original-Received: by pabrd3 with SMTP id rd3so46017611pab.5 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=HOCM+OBHnIsi2SS/G7mCjmV+mxjhD9Atip251uwS5VA=; b=vUsOe4e1AUY+4reY1AD1sZcIfVzqhmLc1j2K0bNX9kpt+U9eR4792QEROCnV3WLhpO uubVSbIMiqQBj+TwDnLOc/cnZ3OA6iOWk/FrF+oz0SRbhZD3M8nn1pP6myNtsfOCEv8j oVdJxJrDQEAkdoAC2UKPYFM5kO3cNK43CM85V8tUlgwZch+obNhiq6XCntWdVEzkv0SA xZI39IAm8gGk7vcHeycjY6P9T2dwfX8GpcyklS6HwOgE2u+8GzekuX1n27YbJNvglhSf YhDR7q/k5WiG/dufzcMELS6QE9Wy4pDGsR/+Ps+XrdfXemIdCXOm/agYazv+WCXuZFTS pp7A== X-Received: by 10.66.65.195 with SMTP id z3mr49955732pas.10.1425879565345; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (ppp118-209-174-156.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net. [118.209.174.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qh6sm8926149pab.34.2015.03.08.22.39.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:39:24 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <20150308231111705300644@bob.proulx.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103087 Archived-At: On 2015-03-09T16:14:20+1100, Bob Proulx said: BP> I would expect newcomers to have small init files. Well, a number of newcomers nowadays are starting out by using prebuilt configs of some description, e.g. https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude or https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs which those newcomers feel helps them getting started with Emacs. i've seen several arguments both for and against such things; personally, i think it's great that members of the Emacs community are trying to help ease some newcomers' transition to Emacs. Some people work best by starting out in a relatively familiar environment from which they can gradually move away, rather than having to learn a whole lot of new behaviours simultaneously. BP> It is us old BP> timers that have collected up much lint in them over the years. BP> I have been using Emacs since version 18. :-) i think i first started using Emacs around some version 20 release, though it's only in the last several years that i've been making increasingly heavy use of it. Still, yes, a lot of cruft built up until i started using org-babel to organise my config; that, together with being able to use package.el to manage the installation and update of almost all of the many extensions i use, has meant that there are increasingly fewer bits of cruft for me to manage. :-) Alexis.