From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:05:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874molyuwa.fsf@udel.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAdUY-Lme89UR96hz_AsiKRyMeQ4oxg5p2o7wAmjumC_Mkx8bQ@mail.gmail.com> (Artur Malabarba's message of "Sun, 12 Apr 2015 20:43:31 +0100")
Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com> writes:
>> > I'm just glad this issue is up for the slaughter, I don't care whether
>> > we kill it with a magnum or a tennis racket.
>>
>> Better documenting the relationship between custom.el and package.el
>> should have been considered over resorting to indiscriminately
>> clobbering init.el.
>
> This is not an issue with custom.el. The custom.el problem is one of
> the consequences. Another consequence is that users can't paste
> configurations into their init file in the way that 90% of the
> (emacs-related) internet is telling them to.
> By adding the chosen snippet to the user's init file we are preventing
> this sort of problem for new users, instead of telling them it's their
> fault for not understanding package.el.
Perhaps if the related documentation didn't suck, then 90% of the advice
on the (emacs-related) internet wouldn't be incorrect.
>> (info "(emacs) Package Installation") talks about
>> use of (package-initialize) in a user's init file. This could be
>> improved. Alternatively, why bother having the documentation if
>> Emacs is going to be in the habit of forcing this behaviour?
>
> Nobody is being forced. The added snippet clearly explains that you
> can comment it out. The only thing that's being forced upon you is the
> presence of 21 characters in your init file.
"Nobody is being forced."
"The only thing that's being forced […]"
Wow.
>> I have never needed package-initialize in my init.el for things
>> installed by package.el, either from an archive or locally. Why am I
>> subjected to having my init.el overwritten when I install anything with
>> package.el?
>
> You will have one sexp added to your init-file exactly once. You are
> being “subjected” to that because a lot of other people were being
> subjected things much worse (see the original thread).
> You only need to have “;(package-initialize)” somewhere in your init
> file and this feature will never ever affect your again (it will never
> even visit your init file again).
Yes, it seems the internet is giving bad advice and Emacs will now
require a specific string in a file to solve issues stemming from
that.
I suppose it's a fine solution in that it's easy to patch out of Emacs.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-12 20:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-11 23:10 Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 1:00 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 16:46 ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 19:43 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:05 ` Mark Oteiza [this message]
2015-04-12 20:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 3:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 9:58 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:02 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <20150412082125.GA490@odonien>
2015-04-12 10:07 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 10:28 ` Artur Malabarba
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-18 12:25 Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 13:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 14:24 ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 15:16 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:35 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:25 ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 18:48 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 15:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-18 18:16 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19 0:24 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-19 0:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:24 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-19 8:19 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-19 6:44 ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19 8:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 22:37 ` chad
2015-04-19 6:40 ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19 8:04 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 0:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 7:54 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:31 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 16:01 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 17:29 ` chad
2015-04-20 18:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 19:40 ` chad
2015-04-20 19:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 15:19 ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-27 9:52 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 11:03 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-27 14:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 12:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:10 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:15 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:36 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-27 13:43 ` Andy Moreton
2015-04-27 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 10:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28 7:25 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 7:39 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28 7:42 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 14:54 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 16:46 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-28 17:29 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 18:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-29 1:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 15:32 ` raman
2015-04-29 8:25 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-28 15:26 ` raman
2015-04-27 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:46 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 15:15 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 0:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-29 8:01 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-29 13:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 0:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-12 12:09 Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 14:26 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 14:45 ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 14:40 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2015-04-12 16:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 21:02 ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 23:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-13 22:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-13 22:49 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-30 19:01 Artur Malabarba
2015-03-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 10:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 10:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-03-31 8:53 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 10:55 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 12:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-03-31 13:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 13:47 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:03 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-01 6:04 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:51 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2015-03-31 15:40 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
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